Further to our comparison between 30s Germany and contemporary United States, the World Cup will be the '36 Olympics. For that, Germany relaxed its rules and put on a show of tolerance and inclusion that fooled many. As soon as the games were over it was back to business. Expect the same.
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I also see some embarrassment coming, in the form of empty seats that will have to be filled at the last minute. Many in the global community will vote with their feet and not travel to America for this one.
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Accusations? All i have done is challenge the meaning of ignorance.
I mean no offence as I am at times equally guilty but to me you have highlighted your own ignorance.
How can I justify that my opinion is correct, well letâs find a very loose research paper that shows voters with RW tendencies have a lower level of qualifications on average.
Maybe, the reason they donât have degrees is because they were intelligent enough to realise they wanted to learn a trade/profession rather than spend a number of years at College/Uni, build up a big debt and end up stacking shelves at a supermarket.
Who knows? I am not saying that this is what has happened I am providing a different perspective. But I feel it is wrong to judge someoneâs intelligence/knowledge on the basis of whether they pursued further education or not.
A question for you, if the Right are so uneducated and the Left, with their degrees are so more intelligent why is the world leaning more right? I mean, how are these stupid people outsmarting the Left? Why after almost 100 years since the rise of Facism are we now finding parallels in present society?
Obviously, they donât offer degrees in this subject. 
Itâs shouldnât be about rejecting their views, it should be about understanding why they have those views and that goes for both sides. Dismissing someone elseâs view because it does not align with your own and using terminology like they have shit for brains doesnât help.
Everyone has a different lived experience, are you more knowledgeable than them, on their situation/experience? maybe we should actually try listening to each otherâŚ.I mean being knowledgeable hasnât really got a good success rate in World politics.
This is an absurd question. Elections arenât won based who is the most correct, but on who is the most popular. What is correct and what is popular are not only not required by any sort of law of nature to be the same thing, but are very often very different.
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That is a caricature. The modern right have been demonstrated over and over again to know very little about the issues. We ahev spent a decade in this country bending over backwards trying to understand what motivates these people and why they think the way they do. The thing is, all that did nothing to elucidate anything that wasnât already known by people willing to accept the uncomfortable truth that a significant portion of this country live in a fantasy world where up is down and left is right.
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How is it absurd? Any party wanting to Govern needs to understand the needs of its people. What is correct is based on opinion, what is popular is more factual/present.
Why are RW politics more popular at present?
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I was not aiming my statement at a specific demographic, we are all guilty of it.
Very little about what issues? Please elaborate.
You believe something is correct, another person may believe that something else is correct.
Ok, chill out. I said the accusations you were talking about, ie the accusations against the right.
There are a lot of such studies, as I mentioned, enough that it is difficult to argue against. I didnât think it necessary to list them all, but you are welcome to google them. Again, I said that there are complicating factors, but it might be an explanation for your feeling that people on the right are being accused of ignorance. Thatâs all.
I am chilled.
I never specified or aimed the âaccusationsâ at anyone in general. I appreciate that there may well be dozens of studies that can be used to support your point on the qualifications of voting demographics, I am not disputing that. Itâs just not an accurate reflection on an individualâs intelligence, a lot of degrees could be for less intellectual based subjects, who knows, it doesnât specify.
Look, I am not trying to say that it is only the Right that are being accused of being ignorant. The majority of this forum, have Left aligned views, so I am just challenging that. If I was on a forum that held predominantly Right wing views I can imagine that they would be accusing the Left of being ignorant.
I am not taking sides here, we were discussing ignorance and I was just trying to highlight that ignorance can be ignoring facts/intelligence but importantly in society ignoring other peopleâs opinion
Right and if enough dumb people think something made up is true it is still not actually correct.
Back in the Bush era a good friend of mine worked as a senior aide to the junior senator for Missouri. There was almost nothing we agreed on in that domainâŚtaxes, gay right, Iraq, the greater war on terror. But these are all opinions with no definitively right answer. Bit that isnât what this question is about. Itâs about things that are knowable. Like is climate change real. Did Trump explode the deficit. Do American pay the costs of tariffs. This isnât what I disagreed with my friend about but is what drives politics today because half the country has disappeared into a world that doesnât exist. On objective measures of âdo you know anything about about anythingâ measures, GOP voters come up short over and over again.
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But if that opinion is based on ignorance, then it should be ignored, surely.
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Right-wing populism allows politicians to frame very complex questions in a simple, easily digestible soundbite. Thereâs a reason no populists ever delivery on their promises once they are in office: because they are unachievable.
Regardless of what higher education course one studies, it likely relies on an evidence-based approach to âfactsâ. The educated will ask âis this real? Is it possible? On what evidence?â Others arenât going to follow that same process. If a politician says something that sounds too simple, it will still be taken at face value.
Saying itâs âall about educationâ is oversimplifying the situation as well. Itâs not all about education levels, even if they correspond with each political party. I think one of the biggest factors n the situation in America is the Rightâs absolute iron grip over American media that allows them to paint them Dems as prioritising super progressive policies over the economy, failing on the economy under Biden etc, while reinforcing the overly simple populist policies of the GOP.
Under normal circumstances, I would say Trumpâs (lack of) results would have the GOP shown the door as even populism canât sugar coat a turd, but I feel we have gone beyond the point where fair federal elections can exist in the USA.
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Say what?
I agree, if someone believes something that is made up is true, it doesnât mean that what they believe is correct. However, this is a proved fact.
In politics or elections we are commonly voting for the unknown, based on promises or on political bias, and what is correct is based on opinion. And again, what someone knows about anything depends on the question being asked.
So to bring us full circle, do you actually know why people are voting differently to you? Do you know their lived experience? Do you understand or empathise with their concerns? This is ignorance! Until the Left start listening and understanding the concerns of the right and vice versa, then the world will continue to repeat its mistakes
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Isnât that politicians in a nutshell. You could argue that the current Labour Government have failed to deliver on their promises?
What is your point here? So a tradesman wonât ask the same questions in their profession? You are showing ignorance in assuming people who donât have an education certificate will not ask the same questions.
I agree on the education point. I never said this, I actually contested this.
Regarding America and the media, I do not know enough to form an opinion. In the UK a lot of people on this forum refer to the Media as being RW. Without doubt there are media sources that are RW, but there are also LW outlets. I just question how much this influences people in todayâs society, where people donât buy papers, or watch the News and increasingly get their information from Social Media.
I also believe, despite a lot of false information and lack of regulation, Social media/the Internet has allowed society to be more aware of issues. Having a camera in hand at all times allows people to provide evidence of these things rather than it be channelled through State TV.
I remember reading something similar from the Republicans perspective when Biden got elected. The problem I see, and what the UK is experiencing, is there not being a valid candidate/party in opposition.
Yes, wonât someone go to a diner in steel town Ohio and talk to a trump voter to understand what motivates them. Such novel thinking. Why has no one thought of this over the last decade?
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âŚâFailing on the border under bidenâ I assume
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