I don’t know. Give it a go and let me know how you get on. 
Sounds great, but if the other person is saying that climate change is a hoax, for example, there isn’t really any room for compromise.
The elections you mention have been decided by a small number of voters in a few states. It’s not that the whole electorate changed their mind. It’s often a relatively small group, eg Michigan muslims, are swayed by a particular issue.
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I get that and I don’t disagree. But that is one factor out of many. Climate change as important as it is to acknowledge, understand and promote a change of attitude, is not a vote changer. People are more likely to vote on present issues, it is more important to put food on the table than worry about something they can’t control and won’t affect them.
Sorry, the Elections I referred to were in the UK. I was just trying to relate to people’s perspective on how people can become intelligent/stupid purely on their vote 
They actually pulled back from their promises the second the Tories were finally transparent about how badly they left the UK economy. That’s exactly what I would hope my leader would do: not continue their grift like the dugong and the other Tories did.
Your “they’re all the same” isn’t going to work here as no-one is going to believe it.
Failing on the economy. Another swipe typing fail.
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why so defensive. I could mention numerous things they have failed on but it’s irrelevant as I am not trying to pull them up, they inherited a tough job. However, ask yourself why your leader’s position is very delicate at the moment? This is from the Party itself, not outsiders.
Sounds great in theory until you actually talk to them and see for yourself.
I frequent another forum that has a good number of MAGA supporters. They will defend Trump to the hilt. Epstein, ICE, Maduro, Iran you name it. Most are avid conspiracy theorists convinced that the election of 2020 was stolen, that Covid was released by the Democrats, that small kids were scarred for life by having to wear masks, that the LGBTQ community is threatening their way of life. One of them is absolutely convinced that the Moon is a spacecraft.
All of them make racist remarks on a daily basis against illegal immigrants and “brown people”. All of them were blaming Good and Petri for being executed by ICE in Minneapolis.
There is nothing to gain by trying to understand these people. It’s like to trying to reason with hardcore Nazis in 1930s Germany.
Of course, not all right voting people belong to this category and the Left has plenty to answer for itself, but at the end of the day they are responsible for their own vote. If for whatever reason they’re willing to overlook what Trump, MAGA and the Right are as a collective, they are to a certain extent, complicit and by extension culpable.
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I keep asking myself why you insist on giving your own posts the thumbs up. 
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For the 15th time, political apathy.
The far right offer simple solutions to complex problems. They will fail.
With regards to ignorance. Could that also cover when you choose to ignore evidence provided to you on a number of occasions?
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Well thankfully you have decided to ask me. I am not giving my posts a thumbs up. I use a thumbs up emoji in my posts to try and demonstrate that I am not disagreeing with the poster and responding with good intentions.
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Lol, really. Why are you so bothered about what I say? You have on a number of times “for the record” said you are not going to respond to me, so just block me. Go read your books or even better take a hike .
What evidence have I chose to ignore? Your belief that Trump would not agree to a trade deal unless we gave him the NHS, your bullshit on the laws of illegal immigration/asylum seekers? Or your statement that I am the problem without any basis apart from your opinion.
You moaned at me, almost cried when I responded to one of your posts which wasn’t directed to me and yet you have in the last fortnight jumped into two of my discussions with other members that did not involve you. What is more pathetic is that you did not provide any substance to these interactions.
Why don’t you provide evidence to support your point or even better do us both and the forum a favour and block/ignore me. I am obviously in your head, which is really pathetic, embarrassing even.
Ok, let’s take an issue which is very important to maga voters: immigration.
They base their opinions on a number of falsehoods:
1, The Mexican (and other Latin American governments) are sending their criminals; murderers, rapists etc to the US.
2, The Democrats had an ‘open borders’ policy.
3, Immigrants are more likely to be criminal than the host population.
4, Immigrants are simultaneously lazy scroungers and taking the jobs of hardworking ‘Americans’.
5, Immigrants eat household pets.
6, Immigrants are responsible for the Fentanyl crisis.
All of these arguments are easily disproved with a modicum of research. Anyone basing their opinion on them is basing their view on a lack of knowledge/ignorance.
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You are straying into the territory of there is no objective truth and everyone is entitled to their own facts.
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I do not disagree. That is extreme.
Quite the opposite really.
We’ve told you numerous times that right wing politics, populist politics thrives in times of economic difficulties. History tells us this, I.e. 1930’s Germany to bring us round to that conversation again again.
It thrives because they offer simple solutions. “US is broken because of immigrants”. “US is broken because of Fentanyl” “We will reduce your energy bills, we will reduce your grocery bill”. “Costs are high because of deficit” “your energy bill is high because of green energy subsidies”. And so on.
It’s the same playbook the world over and avoids the real truth, that a little scratch beneath the surface reveals. People don’t look.
Worth also noting that the UK tories demonised immigration, yet sent it through the roof, feeding their own rhetoric, and making a heap of money off the back of it.
Plus the over domination of news and information sources being right leaning (guess who owns them?) that space is flooded by these simple messages that connect with people.
Now we’re seeing that the very wealthy are part of of world wide network with the purpose of funding and driving the world into a space that makes them more money.
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And yet, in most of the LW/RW discourse we are not dealing with a difference of opinion. We are dealing with a difference of facts.
There is a perception amongst the right that the left are intolerant of differing opinions, whereas we are actually intolerant of are people living in a different objective reality to the one we are living in.
On Brexit, there are a whole range of esoteric reasons for leaving that are more about feeling than fact, like abstract concepts of sovereignty, or nervousness about closer political ties to Brussels, but as soon as you stray into issues like economics, or immigration, or the law, then that opinion hits the roadblock of objective reality. If you choose to remove your ability to freely trade with your nearest neighbour (the largest trading block in the world) and replace it with bureaucracy, then you will destroy your economy. That isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact. And yet the whole Brexit debate was framed as a clash of differing opinions, when it was actually reality versus delusion.
What we are seeing in America is the endgame of a society where there is just no basic sense of a shared objective reality. When you can’t agree anymore on baseline facts and truths, democracy cannot survive.
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I have actually been wondering what the end looks like, and how far it spreads? Does it drag the rest of the world down with it?
Seen in Munich
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