Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 3)

not an expert on this but…

Nor will end well for America…

the countries who lose LNG/oil sales to Europe wont forget what Donald has done, i hope they halt all there investment plans in America

also, will Europe have money for trade with the US (apart from Gas)?

This is a genuinely funny video that the president is touring Graceland while a war he started for reasons he cannot articulate is raging.

But then the camera pans out and you see his AG tucked away in the corner of the room.

These people are not just bad at their jobs. They have no idea that the jobs are supposed to even consist of or be responsible for.

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A truly outlandish claim.

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not surprised by this tbh,

given what a quick Google search shows up…

Alan Dershowitz is Jewish. Born on September 1, 1938, in Brooklyn, he was raised in an Orthodox Jewish household and has frequently identified as a Jewish American, often advocating for Jewish causes and the State of Israel throughout his career

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Try googling Dershowitz / Epstein / Trump

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no thanks,

i’ll probably end up in some dodgy site on the dark web…

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Yeah, except in the early 2000ds he was considered a serious person although a Neocon and pro Israel and all that. In my view, this shows the deteriorating state of America. People become worse and worse and worse as the political culture around them becomes less and less ethical and fact based.

I think he would have been scared to say this in 2010. Because then it would have had greater social consequences and he would have looked like an idiot. Today, it is just normal for GOP clowns.

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Taken the Nazis out for dinner, maybe. Trump’s father was arrested at a KKK demonstration in 1927. There is absolutely no way that in the anti-Semitic, pro-German business circles of 1930s New York (American Bund membership was enormous), Trump would have been anything else.

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From what I know it was those anti war voices that kept America out and hamstrung FDR from a more proactive approach.

It’s why Pearl Harbour becomes such an important event.

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This was Madison Square Garden in February 1939. Note the middle banners on each side of Washington with the swastika at the center of the badge. It really was rather centered on New York City, despite the fact that the city itself was not sympathetic. But in areas like Long Island, Connecticut, New York state, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, there was a significant membership - including two House representatives.

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What is this even !!!

The Venezuela excuse (the bogus regime change there) does not work here, it is the exact same regime, only with hardened (and not softened) security politics !

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It’s obviously only a fictional story, but Phillip Roth’s The Plot Against America is a good read and is written the way it is, from the perspective of a child aged Philip Roth, because those were his experiences growing up Jersey during the run up to America’s involvement in war

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More stupidity:

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Fuck the Americans, you inflicted this fat fuck on the world.

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I hear you, and I very much understand the anger toward America. I just want to occasionally speak up on here to hold a line that does not accept culpability for all Americans.

77 million voted for Trump. Harris was close, but not quite enough. I think the election was stolen, but there’s not enough evidence on that so far. Or the political will to make it a bigger story.

Besides that, the American populace, as a whole, are victims of a broken information system. There’s a sense in which the whole world is going that way, but some nations are more resilient to being duped, though on the whole, it is a massive global problem. In a much more genteel time it is why we witnessed Boris Johnson riding around on a bus promising millions and millions to the NHS if we pulled out of the EU, and people actually believed it!

I believe that America, and because of its power I might say the world, are victims of a crook, and a crooked organization. (Not a formal organization, but it is bigger than Trump). They have taken over and hijacked government for their own gain. They are bending all branches of government to their will and it is appalling.

There’s far too much money in politics, and Citizens United, and so many other things, have led to the shitshow we see unfolding here in the States.

Hopefully the midterms will deliver a blow to Trump that would see Congress change hands, leading to scrutiny and accountability for him.

Anyway, as an American (dual citizen) who didn’t vote for any of this, along with millions of others, I want to call on the international community to not see us all in the same light, even if - legitimately - the global community is asking, “What the heck happened to America?”

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The people who voted for Trump and the ones who didn’t vote. So 35.7+31.6 , which is ~2/3rds of americans then.

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However, I would say to all Americans that it is all your responsibility to fix your democracy. The US constitution is held up as some kind of gold standard of statehood, but when push comes to shove, it has less utility than toilet paper.

You have wealthy people who break the law with impunity and a government apparatus that is simply bought and sold for political purposes. The head of the judiciary is politically appointed and the only way of removing these bad actors is via the grim reaper.

Looking from an external perspective, the US can be viewed as dishonourable, unreliable, fraudulent and vindictive. At one point, the country wielded incredible soft power, because the perception would be that it was a reliable, rules-based democracy, one of the good guys.

Now, even if a new president was to be elected, the US has to be viewed with great suspicion. That is going to affect it’s potential global power for decades to come.

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Excellent post.
Has anything really changed? As far as foreign policy and so on is concerned, the only thing that Trump has done is made it all blatantly more obvious.

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When every indicator was given that Trump would be a disaster even in his first term , the Americans not only elected him for the first term but then proceeded to do that for his second term.

The term of let’s FAFO can be applied once , not twice.

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