Yeah that’s part of the consideration. My understanding was the Biden admin considered the impact on the global prices if India shifted away from Russia, but also the second order effects of the hit in the Indian economy if they struggled to meet their needs elsewhere…so as long they were getting it at rock bottom prices it was the best of all worlds.
I’m not averse necessarily to changing course, but like so much of this admin they are now demanding that with no coherent strategy for then what.
Yeah, I am torn myself. I support it in principle adamantly, but not like this. It’s difficult and complicated and they have no End Game strategy. They are just not very skilled and they are all over the place, following whims.
But shrugs, I do support sanctions on India. But not like this, sigh…
It’s not ignored by anyone here.
As for cold data:
But never mind that, as this is a bit more complicated than a sentence, given that the EU entirely relied on Russian gas (and some oil) prior to 2022 and that there has been a remarkable shift since the invasion to remove it (a very few EU states lags a bit here, but everyone has almost cut Ru gas). The point is that secondary sanctions will create incentives to remove it way faster, in any case.
If you think that a potao is an orange, then I would not be able to help you. This is not new though.
I don’t have time for this. I have already advocated for secondary sanctions that would remove EU imports, but you cannot read as always.
But India, who has not even condemned Russia’s invasion and greatly enhanced cooperation, to compare that with the EU, who funds Ukraine; is spectacularly dishonest/ignorant. You are not serious as usual and I have no time for this. Others can discuss with you. It’s too late here in Norway.
I don’t agree with India’s position, but I understand it.
India is a dirt-poor country that led the non-aligned movement in the Cold War. As a dirt-poor country, it needs to buy its energy at the lowest price possible to benefit its people, which is today Russian oil trading at deep discounts to Brent spot. As a non-aligned country - which usually meant aligning itself with the Communist bloc, because neo-Marxist colonial/settler doctrinaire nonsense - and also because the US armed Pakistan, India’s existential enemy, as a bulwark against Soviet expansion, India purchased most of its arms from the USSR.
So today, India is conflicted. It is a rising power, albeit still very poor. It generally understands that its historically inward-looking mercantilism has damaged its economy (from a US perspective “Oh, the irony”), and its future is predicated on the opening of global markets. It also understands that it needs America as an ally to counter the Chinese threat. But much of its military is still Russian-oriented, and discounted Russian oil still maximizes its economy.
As much as I would like India to tell the Russians to eff off, India is looking after itself first and foremost.
And Magnus seems to be insistent that India condemns the Russian attack on Ukraine. What exactly will that solve? India shouldn’t look to its population? The delusion of some folks here is incredible. India’s first responsibility is to its citizens.
And as it stands now, US encouraged India to by Russian Oil to stabilize the global market. And now Trump the retard thinks it’s not on ?
This has more to do with US seeking to pressure India into a favourable trade deal(to the US) than it is to with Russian Oil.
This is complicated. And it spans two American administrations with different goals.
Oil peaked the day Russia invaded Ukraine. But the Biden administration knew it couldn’t get re-elected with oil at $130/bbl. So it wanted the price of oil to go down.
There were multiple competing political narratives in the Biden administration
Russia is bad. We must punish them.
Oil is bad. We must not encourage more drilling in the US. But we don’t care if there is more drilling outside the US.
We must not hurt foreigners because we are evil colonialists and if we do, that’s racism. I’m not kidding.
There are multiple competing political narratives in the Trump administration as well.
Trade deficits are bad. Because I know little about economics.
We need India to fight China.
But India is bad because (1.)
Putin is starting to piss me off because everyone else knows he’s stringing me along but I’m just beginning to realize it
So yes, Trump wants to get a “good deal” from India, but it’s much more than that.
Anyway, India’s PM is going to SCO in about 20 days. That visit is in China.
Trump’s also looking at countries purchasing agriculture and dairy from US farmers (That’s a very crucial votebase for him). And India with its population is a crucial market.
As of now, They have very negligible dairy sales to India because of the concerns of the feed given to American cows (Religious sensitivites). I believe only Lactose is something which is exported from US to India. Other dairy products aren’t.
China has been at war with India more times than the US, which I count as zero.
Aligning yourself with a country that is militaristically hostile to your existence that looks over centuries rather than one that takes in millions of your citizens with a buffoon President that will be out of office in 3.5 years does not seem like a rational choice.
I don’t mean alignment as in becoming China’s vassal. It’s called Trade. Trade between India and China has continued despite various conflicts. India has major issues with China which will prevent deeper ties but they aren’t dealing with a retarded buffoon and his maga cult (which shows no signs of letting up in US).
Till the time the US people come to their senses and elect someone sane (Which i don’t see happening anytime soon), The damage which Trump would do would set relations with India back to the 1970’s.
And about taking in millions of Indians, I believe that has helped the US economy as well. It’s not exactly as if it’s a favour done to India. Point is that US needs the manpower as well.
But China has an authoritarian militaristic expansionist that will likely take us to war within the next five years, which will require countries to side with alliances that will be behind China or America.
You will have a choice - where are you going to put your personal money, China or the US? I’ve been to China and India, and absolutely nobody in China or India would put their money in China.
