This whole topic makes me feel dirty, but it is a huge news story; the Watergate or Kennedy assassination of our time. As it is multinational in scope and beyond the bounds of any of our topics, I felt it needed its own thread.
It encompasses power politics, corruption, patriarchy, and many other important topics and will continue to rumble on, probably for years to come.
Itās going come flooding out, doctoring wonāt hold for long and we know the players involved.
I assume they hope they can hold it til a certain someone is 6 foot under.
Letās face it Andrew, Sarah Ferguson and Mandelson are small fry compared to who will be implicated we all know that. Oddly the one conspiracy Qanon couldnāt dream up.
I think it goes far far deeper than that headline abuse.
I get the impression he was some kind of middleman in something far larger
I donāt think itās much of a secret that rich and powerful people organise sex parties, often involving underage girls.
Do you recall Berlusconiās āBunga Bungaā parties. He was a card. How we all laughed at the debauched old creep and his sex parties with underage prostitutes.
I have heard Rory Stewart recall Boris Johnson trying to encourage him to attend such an event organised by an ex-KGB agent in which he was told āthere will be girlsā. This is on public record. (Stewart declined!)
Jimmy Savile got away with disgusting crimes because he had friends in high places. This was the dirty secret that everyone had heard rumours about, but that he freely got away with. Clearly they saw no reason to challenge it, because it was simply the done thing.
What I do wonder is how far those further down knew and pushed back on it. Andrew Windsor was a trade ambassador for the government department I worked in. I know that senior civil servants were unhappy with his conduct. I did ask my boss what the nature was, and he said something along the line of inappropriate comments (ātrying to emulate his fatherās humour, but without the charmā). Iām just wondering if they knew exactly what he had been up to, but that the establishment had closed ranks around him.
Some of the files which have been released are redacted which is the tip of the iceberg and there are 3 million files waiting to be released.
It is shocking to see how deep these high profile people are up to their ears in filth.
The people lower down in the respective departments who worked for or with these paedophiles, they may have wanted to whistleblow on these high profile individuals, but they may have been made to keep quiet with a knock on the door by intelligence services by scaring or threatening their families.
The people involved with Epstein should be made accountable and face prison, in my view, prison is too good for them. The victims of that evil depraved man should get justice and be vindicated.
Will any justice system around the world be brave enough to take these rich and well connected people on?
I can only think of mass protests on the streets by ordinary people may help, but with ICE roaming around abducting people, it may not be that simple
NYT here with a quick run through of some of the people who maintained that their relationships with Epstein were of no great significance beyond their business dealings. Trumpās most oft stated retort when in danger of being associated with someone elseās misdeeds (usually at his behest) is the famous ; āI hardly knew him.ā
It would seems that the self same excuse that is now being used by all those poor innocents unfortunate enough to have avaled themselves of his largesse , is being flatly contradicted by what is being turned up in their e-mail correspondence with him.
Gifted article , free to read ; https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/31/us/epstein-powerful-men.html?unlocked_article_code=1.I1A.7P7o.2UjpIkOxQVRY&smid=url-share
To be honest I think thatās exactly the point of drip feeding these partly redacted files. Eventually it becomes easier for the likes of Trump to say well so many people are in here - some no doubt with very limited/tangential/actual non sexual/business connections - that itās hard for the actual muck to stick.
Notwithstanding that thatās not what the law that Congress passed directed them to do. Estimates are that only 50% of the total files have been released , and that of those that have been , most of the redactions are unnecessary.
Trump has had virtually the entire DOJ working on this seven days a week for months just to sanitise further largely inocuous stuff. Just imagine how damning (especially for him) the rest of it must be.
Absolutely. But unnecessary redactions alongside some name links causing backlash further muddies the water for any specific instance involving him.
Im trying to keep the political side of the discussion to the other thread, but itās critical to point out the DoJ had previously affirmatively shut down any further actions being justified on this case as a result of their comprehensive review of the entire case file. They are now explaining this delay of meeting this statutory requirement because āthere are a lot of documents to reviewā.
The best case scenario to explain that is ineptitude of historical proportions.
One of the things I have been taken by is the oddness of the communications and its odd is multiple ways. Itās difficult to put your finger on what is exactly is off about it, but Iāll tryā¦
One issue is the breadth of it. There are so many people he is in communication with over fairly mundane issues, the sort of shit most of us wouldnāt even check in with our closest of friends over. Yet he seemed to be doing it with 100s of people simultaneously.
Another is how strange the vibe is from lots of the correspondents. I donāt know how to describe it, but itās almost a juvenile obsequiousness about the language and the fawning nature of what they say to him. Iāve seen this in communication from women not just men. I dont know what that is pointing to, maybe people bending over backwards to gain his favour by telling him how great he is, but it seems more than that given the number of different people using this sort of communication style with him.
I made a point in the other thread about too much being made of many of the documented associations. This is a guy who made it his business to be in political, fund raising, and philanthropic circles and so there is no end of totally innocent explainable associations there can have been with him. Even in the period after his first arrest given the cover the government gave for the extent and seriousness of the crimes he was initially prosecuted for. But for the people whose communications are now being revealed, those excuses are being completely blown up. And the remarkable thing is how many of them are either in Trumpās cabinet/inner circle, or important decision makers in the capitulation that has been made towards him in this first term (the head of Paul Weiss law firm, the first to prostrate itself to him).
I think given all of that, and the Maxwell connection, means my most Q annon brained idea is that at least some part of this IS an intelligence op. For whom, and for what end I have no idea.
Ok , Iām game . Howās this sound ; Israel/Russia , Blackmail / Leverage ?
There is a load of things pointing to this, yeah. Itās just a lot more difficult to craft a clear plot. What is the why? Maybe it was just enough to cultivate a web of important people they āownedā.
I suppose I could look it up but could someone please explain where these Epstein Files came from? Was this chap literally sitting around creating files about everyone to use as leverage someday or is it stuff seized from various sources by the authorities that were collated or what?
I have in my head this image of a grubby little man spending his days on a computer with a printer and filing cabinet putting these things together which Iād like to get rid of.
I think the āFilesā as they are known date back to the original conviction and sweetheart deal that he got down in Florida right up to his second arrest and conviction. They would therefore span a period of about a decade , and two separate investigations , which explains why thereās so much of it.
Itās mostly documents collected by the DoJ in the process of prosecuting him twice. A lot of this would have come from subpoenaing his communications that allow them to be retrieved from the cloud rather than being things he consciously saved, but this is why despite the public interest in them they have been kept private for so long - unless the the DoJ is going to proceed with a case against you it is inappropriate for them to disclose in any way that you were mentioned in any of the documents.
The bits we havent seen much of yet are the wealth of internal government documentation over their internal processing of the cases, which obviously we have a lot of interest in given 1) his illegally lenient sentence in the first case, and 2) the outcome of the second.
What about remodelling the Middle East?
Iām guessing wildly
There was 0% chance there was going to be any significant Trump related stuff in the files. Democrats had the house, senate and presidency along will all the files. If there was anything there, it would have been out months before the election. Itās that simple, it shouldnāt need explaining.
Redactions are 100% necessary in order to protect victims that have come out, as well as victims that are not interested in coming out (judge them if it makes you feel better). Some people that are raped donāt want to come forward due to the double trauma of doing so ,etc.
The people that 100% fucked up are the ones that continued to have a business/personal relationship with him, and the main ones to my knowledge is Andrew, although there are a lot more that are not as famous. Having your photo with him before his troubles, even if its in a jacuzzi, is irrelevant as far as criminal wrongdoing.
It is also guaranteed that some people are going to get away with being charged, it will be the case in this instance, and will be the case in the future Epstein like rings.
If anything is learnt from this, is that people should have cut ties with him on his first conviction (if they knew), unfortunately this is not ever going to happen going forward as people will see the opportunity associating with these types of people rather than the harm to their reputation, or they are cut from the same cloth as far as sexual predators.
Roman Polanski is a convicted pedophile and had no problems getting celebrities to act in his movies, or the Oscars to honor him multiple times. The list goes on an on.
A % of your hollywood people, politicians, successful business personās, etc, have the human attributes that are drawn to this type of behavior, and they will constantly cherry pick who they support and who they should condemn, all for the sake of their own selfish reasons.
