We have a retrospective Trump claim of a falling out. However we have nothing documented as to why. All we have are explanations offered by Trump or Trump associates 20 years after the fact, and explanations that have repeatedly changed and each taken on its own has problems reconciling it with the totality of everything else that is known.
Ill try find the link. It’s some obscure media outlet I have not heard of (like a local gossip page). It’s dated pre 2008. There are also some well known publications that have posted stories verifying this however they are all recent articles reporting on the past.
I will refrain with my obscure references as you are right, not everyone will get it. I would hope that it is obvious that I am not linking all (stein’s) or people with Jewish ancestry (as not all stein’s are Jewish), it was just a throw away comment when I was typing the post.
Meanwhile, the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told us. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.” Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.
It’s not the credibility that I am interested in, its the date physically reported - Published Oct. 15, 2007, 9:00 a.m. ET.
This is not retrospective in that it was not stated in 2026 as hearsay, it was stated and documented in 2007. The quote mentions “procuring girls” and a 18 year old masseuse experience and her fathers response. This, along with the property purchase are the two most widely reported reasons why they fell out.
I said nothing about the credibility of the sources. My comment was that they do not say what you claim they do. The fact you responded like that is in indication of your inability to interpret the meaning of the sources you are presenting.
What Page 6 reports is nothing about a breakdown in the relationship between the men. It reports him being banned from the club, but that is simply a claim of a club employee, is something that is denied by Epstein, and is challenged by evidence of his continued utilization of their amenities. More importantly though, even if he was banned there is still some evidence of some degree of relationship between the men after the complaints were received by the club.
It seems apparent that by the time of his arrest they were not viewed as being as close as they had been, but we have nothing documented about what happened. Not when, not why, not even to what degree it happened. All we have is a bunch of heresay, with much of it contradictory and in conflict with other publicly known information about the case.
Yes, it is 100% heresay. The heresay was documented in 2007, and not in 2018+, this is what I mean. The heresay does mention why the relationship broke down, and once again, yes it is hearsay. If you think “banned from Mar-a-Lago” means they still have a relationship and they have not fallen out, then fine, I don’t see it that way.
At the time of the falling out, there is no reason to believe that the Epstein case would morph into what it is today, so it’s not a reasonable idea to, at that time, document everything in way that would satisfy people today.
I’m finding the Gates stuff interesting, and even then it’s nothing that definitive, it’s just suspicious.
I guess the Norway royal family stuff is interesting, except that I don’t really know the people.
Lot’s of new Andrew stuff, just nothing as earth shattering as the image that exposed him. The rest not that much more information other than what we already know. Just adds to the creep factor.
The few clips from videos I have seen have been disturbing not because of the graphic nature, just because of the person its linked to. If its anyone else it just some generic photo/video, but with him, it’s very, very likely something else.
People should stop caring about the Epstein stuff says guy all over the files while standing next to guy who repeatedly lied about his close involvement with Epstein and visits to the island.