I think of what I’ve read thus far, it’s mainly that they were on the reaches of his power peddling operation, because obviously they were in positions of power.
How much they know about the rest, I’m not sure.
That would require them to look inward as a society… Same as most societies really, it requires deep questioning as to how to break up these cosy little spheres of influence and accumulation of power in small groups.
Perhaps not society, but certainly all of those in or trying to get into government and those people and organisations that are influenced by policy.
No matter what side of the US fence you sit on, I don’t think there’s actually anyone (Sanders maybe?) that would actually question and interrogate how the whole US economic institution works and the role Epstein played in that. And of course it spread wider than the US but it’s no surprise that the US was front and centre of it.
The whole thing needs (society) to be ripped up and started again, not just stateside, but the whole of the of the western world, most European monarchies seem to have some involvement & dont for some reason think this was something created by one person in the last 30 odd years, probably been going on for hundreds of years…
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The problem with that is Maxwell’s case was still active due to appeal, so releasing information could have led to her getting off on a mistrial.
Maxwell’s appeal avenues were exhausted by October
It’s a difficult/tricky point this. As you said most of the Royal houses were involved - along with many celebs and rich folk and I’m sure quite a lot of business was done by/amongst the individuals. It was a forum, if you like, that facilitated business and business deals. In the Uk there are state visits and royal tours, that are hosted by the monarch, which through the banquets, galas and/or garden parties, foster similar. The Uk gave Trump 2 state visits (one for each cheek?) and I’m pretty sure deals were expected to be talked about/struck at the various festive events - maybe not by Trump but by the entourage.
edit - The middle man/woman that facilitated Uk business was the Monarch… A bit more regulated than Epstein’s but still a facilitator of sorts
I’m a little more black and white on this, in that I don’t care who they and where they come from.
The lid on that network needs lifting.
Yes, I understand this is “how stuff works” and you get this kind of thing across all levels of business but this one crossed a very big line somewhere.
From the UK perspective, if we assume these people were responsible for the birth and delivery of Brexit in full knowledge of the opportunity it gave them, and the damage it would do to everyone else, then at the very least we should know, and can then decide where we go next with it.
I’m not sure the birth of Brexit was on that island or manufactured by those people and I just wouldn’t want to expend energy or resource to prove/disprove that. Knowing it wont set the clock back and even if it did the anti-EU sentiment will return and fester in the not quite in and not quite out status we had…
With Brexit, I guess I’m a bit more “well it has happened and here we are”.
edit - the conservative had been stoking the anti-EU and the “What it means to be British” sentiment since the 70s so the seeds were plated a while back (if not even further back)
I don’t want to derail this thread, so apologies but just to respond to some points above.
True , but even now there’s people that won’t accept the reality of it. Nothing anyone can do until the considerable majority accept that.
Yes, and this is where I ask how deep does this rabbit hole go? It’s not a massive leap to accept that the likes of Murdoch, who has been all over government and MP’s, was quietly pushing this agenda (with a little sponsorship) from behind closed doors. And that whole idea stemming from this Network of people.
Hence my earlier post about why the loony left have a lot of presence and the honorable right not so much - from a Uk perspective specifically.
We know Bannon was a active malign influence in getting the movement going, and we know he had close ties to Epstein, but it doesnt appear they go back far enough for that the be the throughline. I guess it is possible that other Brexit agitators involved with Epstein were what allowed the connection between him and Bannon to happen
Didn’t she have a hearing in January or did I hear it wrong?
Her appeal to the SC was rejected in October. That is the end of the line in terms of appeals.
There was a lot of ongoing talk about negotiations with the Trump admin directly, but those were over post-convictions actions meaning that whatever Trump did was not related to the case the DoJ were trying to hold up.
Yeah, there is a disconnect there in the timeline, but it obviously goes further than just Brexit. Maxwell is the obvious one in that regards.
As with anything like this, people push, the corruption continues to ramp up until something spills out. It’s not a steady drip feed.
100% no doubt he is linked to him pre conviction (2008). Post conviction the “proof” is tenuous at best. This is not saying he is innocent/guily of anything pre conviction (2008).
You see I don’t get this logic. DOJ was anti-trump for 4 years (Biden), there is literally zero chance that there would be something incriminating that would not have been revealed. I know that some argue it is, however you need to look at this from a logic POV. The potentially incriminating documents would have passed through 100’s of agents, admin staff, prosecutors, and there is zero change of all of them being pro-trump. Secondly, if someone does have something incriminating, it would be highly unlikely that it would just be 1 document.
Typical Trumpist thinking: every organ of state is a tool to be politicised.
I don’t buy that the WSJ have access to hidden files, that seem to be conveniently uncovered 2025, yet were invisible pre 2025 when it actually mattered.
We living in different worlds if you think documents have not been leaked for political gain.