Euro 2024 - Reiseziel Deutschland

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It’s not uncommon for German refs to check the VAR footage and tell them to go to hell with it.

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Well it was fun watching that with a bunch of English and Dutch fans. All very good natured and I had a chat with a Dutch chap about Arne Slot.

England are weird. They actually looked good in the first half and resorted to anti-football and get lucky in the second. It looked like England got the winner just after Southgate had made his subs to bore it out to penalties.

Anyway, I had said that the winners would probably be decided by the Spain vs Germany fixture and I suspect that will still be the case. It should be fun watching it in Liverpool, though.

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That’s a bit harsh. Was clearly going for the win with his subs. If any criticism it’s that he should have hooked Kane far earlier

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Just a reminder that, like in Southgate’s previous tournaments, the draws have been exceedingly kind

Serbia, Denmark, Slovenia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Netherlands.

You’d be happy with that as a qualifying pool. And they still struggled in most of those games.

England are through to another final note through luck than ability. Spain are going to absolutely mince them.

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And Spain played mighty Georgia and Albania and very poor French, German and Italian sides.

It’s coming home…:trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy:

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If Southgate sets up England in the usual way, i.e. have his team sit deep in their own half and allow Spain all the possession, he might as well as forfeit the final. Spain are going to play right through them.

England’s only chance is to do exactly what Southgate is afraid of, and be brave with the ball and aggressive.

It really doesn’t look like it is.

Getting France (pre tournament favourites), Germany (Hosts) and Italy (Holders) is comparable to England’s draw?

Really?

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I’ve got a horrible feeling that England will dig in and grind out an ugly win based on grit, determination and the Dunkirk spirit.
We will then hear about nothing else for the next fifty years.

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On paper Spain have had a much tougher draw, but current form wise both Italy and France have had a poor tournament. Germany were playing well and a stronger test. For England we’ve played quite a few defensive and well organised teams and have been found lacking in those absolutely. However both the Swiss and the Dutch were playing well and growing into the tournament - so tough games.

Still think that Spain had a tougher draw overall because even playing poorly both France and Italy have players to produce those special moments that win games. But I don’t think ā€œcomparableā€ is that far out there given how France and Italy have actually performed.

This is so nice to see, both sets of fans mingling.

https://x.com/FBAwayDays/status/1811058501126381707?t=0NdgEjkxYxq_q_wCjgVUOA&s=09

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I really like this one. This lovely German copper is a doppelgƤnger for Gareth. He
is trying not to laugh.
Maybe, he is long lost twin, Gerhardt Südgate, lol!

https://x.com/footbalIfights/status/1811081974221537374?t=GkjsGrrTzAwmKn9Tjk6Tiw&s=09

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Clearly tougher draw, as Germany was still the second best team in this tournament.

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Don’t forget Croatia as well. There’s no debate that Spain have had it more difficult than England so far. It will count for nothing if England win, of course.

I think that England have more individual quality across the board but Spain play with more cohesion. It will be an interesting final for sure.

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I can’t think of a single position where England have more individual quality.

Maybe up front if they start Watkins, but I’d take Morata over Kane currently

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England have a chance if Southgate takes the call to drop Kane.

Hope Trent doesn’t play , The spanish offense is going to give the English defense a hard time. Better have Trent out of the fire.

Position for position and taking at least the past season into account, Carvajal, Rodri and Ruiz are better players than their English counterparts and Cucurella has had a great tournament so far and is experiencing something of a career revival but a fit Shaw is a better and more consistent left back for me. Kane isn’t fully fit, otherwise Morata isn’t a patch on him. The rest? I really don’t think so.

As well as the 3 you mention:
Simon > Pickford
Nacho + Laporte > Guehi + Stones

Williams/Yamal v Saka/Foden up for debate but I’d definitely take the former in this tournament.

Olmo/Pedri better than anyone in England team

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Sorry, I honestly meant to mention Simon (but even my subconciousness loathes to mention Pickford).

Saka and Foden in their best roles at the club level are miles ahead of Williams and Yamal in their roles. That’s not a slight on the latter two, we’re talking about the best that Premier League has to offer at the moment.

Same goes for Stones (ugh). He’s immense, Laporte was sold because of him and Diaz, and I’d take Guehi on this season’s form than either Laporte or Le Normand.

Similar goes for Bellingham, who’s also not playing in his best role. Olmo and Pedri aren’t at his level in that case.

The subs are also decent in England’s case. :slight_smile:

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France have been this tournament who they have always been under Deschamps - a frustratingly restrained team seemingly not getting the best out of the wealth of talent they have who nonetheless keep advancing through all their tournaments. If we’re downplaying a convincing win over them as not worth praising, then no wins in international football matter

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