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Southgate and England have been lucky. That cannot be denied. The draw has been very favorable.

Southgate is too cautious as a coach. The semi final was crying out for subs, and he had a lot of game changers on the bench. A proactive manager makes the attacking subs at 60. A more cautious manager makes them at 70. Southgate made them at 80.

Southgate started the tournament with an idea for how the team will play. He abandoned it quickly, as it was crap. (Btw, what are the international breaks for, if not to sort this stuff out?) Trent has been made a scapegoat, but there were myriad issues, with everyone dropping into the playmaker space and no runners and hence no pass for Trent to hit. So obvious.

Southgate stumbled onto a better formation, mid tournament, with 3421. This is getting more of the players doing their thing, but it still is far from smooth. He has the wrong personnel in 3 of the positions for me, and seems to be afraid of touching big names. But it is better.

And yet…

England are in the final. All the haters need to suck on that bitter lemon. England, under Gareth Southgate, are in the final.

They sleepwalked through the group. Crap. But they won the group and advanced. Then the round of 16 and the round of 8. We saw flashes of good play, but overall it was crap.

But if the name of the game in tournament football is to advance, England advanced.

The semi final against the Dutch was much better. England went a goal down. Declan Rice - win your personal battles in midfield! But no, he got outmuscled by Simon - a much smaller man, who unleashed a fierce shot that wasn’t top corner, but was still out of reach for Pickford’s short arms.

England responded. They passed well. They created chances. Scored. One off the line. Another disallowed, correctly. Foden off the post. They looked good.

Second half was more cagey again - it is Southgate after all, but even then, this beige England manager could not fully find a way to suppress the talent at his disposal.

Palmer and Watkins combined - lovely turn and a cracking finish, right into the corner, and that was that. England are through to the final.

What to expect?

Spain have definitely been the better team the whole tournament. They have won all their games and played the best football. On that basis they should win, quite well too.

However, there is a sense in which England have been showing more as the tournament progresses. They are in the final, and I’m only able to say they have played one good half of football, plus a couple minutes here and there, to get there. It’s ridiculous.

But if they play like that first half against the Dutch, they can definitely win it, despite Gareth Southgte.

Game on. Should be interesting.

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Our difference is probably me thinking more of the current tournament form whereas you’re thinking of past season.

Bellingham, goal aside, has been shite whereas Olmo has 6 goals/assists.

I don’t think any English player can do what Pedri does

That depends more on the manager rather than the player.

Southgate wants England to play safe. How else can you explain the likes of Foden who’s had such a good season being abjectly dire this time ?

How would that work? The match won’t finish until nearly 22:00 UK time, and even later if there are extra time and penalties. It’s very short notice to then say that the following day is a Bank Holiday. :thinking:

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Everyone will pull a sickie anyway. Might as well make it official.

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England football team belongs to the nation. That is the same nation with schoolkids watching their every game - but the team is as boring as fuck - Surely, Southgate, the FA and everyone else down to grassroots level of football, owe it to the army of kids (with parents in tow), that turn out in the cold, wet, windy weekends, playing on public park football pitches that have mounds of dog-shit everywhere… they owe this next generation… an exciting England football team that gets the heart pumping…
Football is already dying on its feet. Too much caution, too much negativity, too much ‘win at any cost cheating’, too much boring arse punditry talking the game to death, it is all dragging the game down to a dark place it may never recover from… Would it really matter if the England team got knocked out of this tournament earlier… if the games had at least produced some swashbuckling style excitement.
Klopp, and in fairness, Bielsa had the right attitude towards the game that gives many people involved, a privileged living.
Quote I read from Lee Dixon last night… the same Lee Dixon that has the ears of millions of viewers…
“When you are this close to the final, just get it over the line anyway you can” -
Obviously, having one of the biggest ‘snidey’ cheats in the game, as the captain of the national team - sort of says it all eh.
I mean… WTF…!

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Well he doesn’t

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1811151293496332762

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I know some Englands can be right stupid, drunk morons, but, not all of us behave in this way. I just would love us to win it for the sake of all those young school kids who play in the park, who look up to these players as sporting role models and be inspired that hard work, determination and to ‘never give up’ attitude right until the end and that the players tried their very best to achieve their desired goal.

I think the team have come a long way and still need more improvement. The St George’s Park was a great idea to have a national football centre. In this team there is alot more talent, camaraderie and unity than previous teams and I give Gareth Southgate credit for that. To be fair to him, he has been in 3 semi-finals and 2 finals in the last 6 years, no other recent England manager has done that. So, he deserves some credit. I would rather have Gareth as manager than Sam Allerdyce. We would be playing even more dire football.

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I get your point, but is this only applicable to England? Don’t think so.

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No, I don’t mean it in the nationalistic way. It can be applicable to anyone.
Spain are by far the better team and the ought to win it as they have been brilliant. If and a very big if… we cross the line, it will be emotional that they managed to do it.

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1 goal from open play in 6 games is still somewhat off where you would expect them to be no? At the World Cup in 2022 they were averaging over 2 goals a game and Mbappe scored 8. I didn’t say beating them wasn’t praiseworthy, just implied that the achievement isn’t what you might have expected going into the tournament. And again Spain have absolutely had the tougher side of the draw in terms of quality of opponents, but some of that quality has been lacking. In comparison England have had a different set of challenges.

this.

to the power of 100.

if England are unhappy with Southgate, how should France feel about Deschamp?

this is a generationally great squad of talented footballers… they won the world cup in 18 by just doing enough, and have been horrible ever since, truly just finding enough to get through rounds of football…

we should be talking about one of the alltime great football dynasties, (maybe i’m going too far) but instead we have a football team that pretty much just does enough…honestly, for the talent they have at their disposal, for Deschamp to be churning out the football he does…bah…

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Was that before the game or after?

This is really starting to remind me of 2004, when the Greeks more or less prevented anyone else from playing and did just enough at every step of the way to walk away with the trophy despite facing indisputably superior sides - the France team that they knocked out was more or less the same side that won the World Cup and the previous Euros.

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Greece in 2004 had an excellent crop of players by their standards, led superbly by an excellent manager, who got the most out of them.

The opposite can be said of England. They’ve reached the final in spite of their manager, relying on luck and favourable draws while underperforming in almost all of their games.

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