I’m not sure we’re saying anything different then. Other than Shaqiri who I think fails on a number of levels ie. reliablility, consistency, adaptability I’m not overly concerned about moving most of the other players or seeing them kept for another season.
Origi is not a bad option to have on the bench. There are obviously more preferable options but if they are not affordable or available, there’s was no sense selling him just for the sake of it.
In my impression, Salah doesn’t do the cutting out passing lanes so much as directly challenging for the ball, and often enough winning it to start a quick counterattack, unless I’m much mistaken? Shaqiri as you said, probably goes for the other approach, but I’m not sure if this is a tactical instruction thing.
I might have misunderstood you then! I was trying to say that from the management perspective, it doesn’t matter how many chances a player has had, just a question of whether they offer a benefit moving forward that outweighs the opportunity costs of keeping them. That’s why I brought up the Brewster example, although Hoever is another one. We didn’t really give either of them a chance, but we decided that the money was too good to give up.
A German reporter ITK about a Swiss player moving from England to Italy? Hmm, seems legit. Let the ruckus begin.
Yes, the trick is just knowing when that moment is. When Sturridge was here it felt like I was always 50:50 between selling and giving another chance, and perhaps he was here longer than he necessarily should have been.
With Shaqiri, I think now is the time to sell for sure.
For me yes, but because he wants to leave. I think he was being linked with moves away last season, but he wanted to stay to try to prove himself. Once he starts wanting a move away though, I think we should let him have it, although we may be left lacking players with experience in the roles that he can play. So long as we do have most of our experienced midfield on the pitch though I think we can manage.
Salah tends to look for the counter attack opportunity and from what I have seen tends to step out of his defensive position too soon in anticipation of a potential counter attack. His positionning from what I see is similar to Shaqs when playing that RW but shaq stays in position (obviously as he isn’t the main counter attack option (this would be down to speed)) longer an concentrate a lot more on his defensive duties.
Salah rarely challenges for the ball like you are suggesting, he does when he bombs back to save us from the counter after one of our set pieces falls apart (he’s fantastic at that (great speed and timing gettingto the ball taking the opposition player by surprise).
This is why I would have put Salah central (could position where he wanted waiting for the counter) hence not weakening the defense as he did.
Btw I’m not saying we should keep Shaq even if I did love his bubbly nervous (yet ineffective) energy and some of the great assits he made. Just don’t like it when players are fobbed of as crap because in one match they were crap. 
The important aspect is, heading into this season we currently have 2 forward players who where out on loan last year, and a third player returning after long term injury. That means we have Shaq, Origi, Elliott, AoC, Minamino all competing to be 5th place backup forward. In total these five, between them played less than a 1000 minutes for Liverpool in the PL last season.
My personal preference would be Elliott filling that spot. With AoC acting as a bit of a utility player. However, which ever way we cut it, some of these players need to be sold. Loaning any bar Elliott has little benefit for the club or player. There is surplus fat that we dont need to carry.
We could head into the season without Shaq, Origi, and Minamino, and still have Salah, Firmino, Mane, Jota, Elliott, AoC. Even being conservative that’s 8M in wages saved, plus 20M in transfer fees.
Who are you calling fat? 
10 years ago I bought my wife gym membership for her birthday. She still does not let me forget
She read far to much into what I intended !
Ok, completely off topic, or is it?
My son’s wife keeps buying him work out gear, obviously standing behind a counter at a pharmacy has it’s downside.
So thinking about it I wonder if my next gift for her will be posters of Shaq … or perhaps even better Salah?
(might make my son jealous though that I buy something LFC related for her and not him).
Without straying to far off topic, perhaps joint tickets to a match ! At least make your son happy !
In a normal season, with minimal injuries to our forwards, we manage just fine like that. God help us though if injury jinx hits our frontline this time.
We’ll be ƒ°©∆€∂ in that case…
Saw this elsewhere, which only adds weight to the argument that we can’t really judge the squad/fringe players based on last season. If even two players who are expected to be regularly starting can’t even make it into the starting lineup because of our defensive issues, I can’t imagine others who are of less importance would be able to play many minutes at all.
2018/19: 1413 mins, 6 goals, 5 assists
2019/20: 293 mins, 1 goal
2020/21: 819 mins, 1 goal, 4 assists
Perennially peripheral.
When he did get the minutes in previous seasons, he wasn’t that bad either…
It’s not an argument I agree with.
This season Klopp was very vocal about the 5 substitutes rule. The need for it to be implemented in order to protect the welfare of his players. Out of a theoretical maximum of 114 subs in the PL. Klopp made 104. Similarly in the CL were 5 subs were allowed. Out of a maximum of 50 subs (10 games we played) club made 42 subs.
If stability was key it does not align with others given the opportunity instead. Curtis Jones, a kid breaking into the team involved in 24 games.
Take the stats if Minamino only here half the season and he was involved in 10 league games (completing 90 minutes twice).
Two fringe player who up until that season barley played first team football for the club. I struggle to see why Shaq and Origi were not involved more.
How many of these substitutes were defensive substitutes though? Jones is much more defensively adept than any of these 3 players mentioned here.
So we were looking for stability but only when it came to using Shaqiri and Origi, two players who have been at the club years, easily long enough they should be fully up to speed on things and not be a spanner in the works bringing the whole machine grinding to a halt when they are played. And if that’s really the effect they have then that’s a whole other argument as to why they need moving on ASAP, a much stronger reason than lack of quality.
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