Yes, it wouldn’t surprise me if he wanted to move on. He always tries his best but cannot get more playing time. It’s a shame, because effort and spirit count for a lot, beyond any natural talent.
1 Like
Chiesa was the only incoming player last summer, the first under Slot’s watch, yet isn’t rated at all by the latter, despite of all his efforts, and the fact the fans clearly like him and have made it known. He won’t give him a fair chance, and it’s weird.
2 Likes
Fans would understand more if the players he is competing with were performing well at least when Chiesa is on the pitch he works his socks off for the team.
Although not perfect, what player is, I do think he seems our best, at the moment, for taking his chances and definitely for his accuracy in getting shots on target.
1 Like
I am puzzled why slot never starts him he must have pissed in his coffee. He is a bit like Jota whereby you always have a feeling he will get in the box and score.
3 Likes
Maybe he’s found a lovely Italian restaurant in Liverpool.
1 Like
And he single handedly won them the Euros.
1 Like
I’m glad you are not him.
1 Like
Sure he ran over Slot’s cat.
1 Like
How dare he initially play him onside, despite sprinting back from inside his own half. Shame on you Chiesa.
4 Likes
You’re just being a prick now.
1 Like
Now?
2 Likes
The reality here is you’ve never accepted Chiesa, despite all the calls for him to get more game time or God forbid, start a game of note, you’ve always pushed back on the notion. The agenda you have against him is clear to see and it came out again in full force yesterday, the nerve to call him out for sprinting back 60 yards to clear one off the line was a new low. Your position may aswell be stood as Slot’s right hand man, because you seem to tolerate an awful lot of the shit decisions and excuses he makes.
How many times is that now he’s come on and put the rest of this team to shame?
More strawmanning from you. Do you ever get tired of yourself?
I’ve always been Chiesa-curious, and I’d have no issue seeing him start ahead of Gakpo. The problem is that for all his industry and spirit, whenever I’ve watched him he just isn’t very good. The very epitome of ‘second touch is a tackle’. The noise around him has become almost cult like, and I’m pretty sure the credit he gets is a direct result of how little we actually see him. Everyone is a good player when they aren’t on the pitch to prove otherwise.
I’ve said now, more times than I should have to, that he did brilliantly to get back and stop the goal. It was really great. But I’m not going to look past the fact that he was the cover player on the corner (and I’ve also said that he shouldn’t be doing that job) and he let the Sunderland player get goalside of him.
And I’m not even that arsed. I’m not calling him out. I’m just surprised that he’s garnered 67% of the MOTD vote for essentially helping Ali bail the team out of his own mistake.
OK. What do you want me to do? We can all fucking stamp our feet and kick off, demand people be sacked and so on. Having a tantrum is the easiest thing in the world. It would be the path of least resistance for me in this place, the shit I get from pricks eternally offended that I’m more interested in a conversation about the team rather than just kicking off about them.
And then the question is what do we want the forum to be? A succession of emotionally immature lads kicking and screaming because something they base their lives around, and yet have absolutely zero agency over, is making them have big sad feelings? That sounds loads of fun.
At the end of the day, I’m 200 miles from Anfield, and I watch the games on TV. Nothing I say and do is going to have any bearing on what happens to Arne Slot. Toleration doesn’t come into it. You are clearly not tolerating Slot, and it has exactly the same impact as me.
The problem I have with a lot of this fury is that at this point it’s entirely performative. It’s you saying to this community ‘Look at me! Look at my standards. I’m not tolerating this! I’m not part of this! Please look at me!’ And you can’t come back from it - regardless of where Slot takes us, now you have nailed your colours to the mast and you’ll go down clutching that agenda. He could win us the Champion’s League and it won’t matter to you. Just like the lads who never forgave Rafa for an indifferent first league campaign and getting knocked out of the FA cup in 2024, had to put up up with him winning the Big Cup, and couldn’t fucking wait for the wheels to fall off.
Watching Liverpool is a leisure activity. It’s something I do for enjoyment. I have to find enjoyment in it somewhere. I can’t carry the kind of anger round with me that I’d need to hold, to take what is essentially a hobby and continually tantrum about how much I hate people running the show. Felt the same about all the FSG OUT stuff.
So I’m interested to see what Slot is doing to get out of this rut. There are some aspects to him that makes me think he will, and there are some that make me think he is finished - but I have absolutely no input into whether he stays or goes, and I refuse to get into an angry state over something I am powerless to affect, and it’s supposed to be fun anyway.
If he gets sacked, my response will be ‘OK, that’s interesting - what’s the plan now’. If the football is not bringing the enjoyment in itself, then the enjoyment has to come from the process and the journey.
2 Likes
Nice basically calling forum members pricks, and in the mo thread basically calling @ILLOK a cunt
2 Likes
I’m sick of having my arguments misrepresented, and any attempt to try and discuss our poor form beyond ranting being rounded on as if I’m condoning it.
At some point I’ll just sack this shit off, and so will the other half dozen lads who are trying to look for something to actually meaningfully discuss in the misery, and all that will be left here is a bunch of lads kicking off.
Maybe try not sounding as though youre looking for arguments, anyone disagrees with you, you get your back up and eventually start calling them names even though most of the forum members have not taken the same tonality as you.
Step back and just ignore mod status and try an engage with the debate / thoughts, no one will ever be right on a forum , but seriously lighten the insults if someone disagrees , were all here for the same reason.
1 Like
Are we? I’m here to talk about football.
As is everyone else , we all want our team to win and play good football and we all get annoyed when we lose or seem to have lost something in our style…different opinions on how others see things is good surely ?
I think the reality about Chiesa these days is that very little of debate is actually about him as a player or his performances. He is just a totem being used to make whatever broader argument the person feels need to be made.
There are people who want to see more of him on the very reasonable expectation that when performances are not good enough personnel changes should be made. His ongoing exclusion becomes very easy to hold up as the most representative way to question Slot’s decision making, and the more disappointed someone is in Slot the greater the claim Chiesa is given.
I think there is probably a sizeable group who think that what is going wrong is not fixed by the change of one player. It is very reasonable for people in this camp to then downplay the expected impact that giving him more minutes would bring, but this definitely looks like its been over done in some quarters, almost to the point of nihilism.
But then there are people who are acting as if the best path out of this funk is to defend Slot to the hilt. For any criticism there is an excuse, and for any alternative path forward presented there has to be an argument against it otherwise we have to acknowledge that Slot has just got some of this wrong. The stronger the argument being made by group 1 for Chiesa’s inclusion the more shit he has to be to defend Slot’s ongoing marginalization of him.
Yesterday he was on the pitch for about 10 minutes and I thought the 2 brightest moments we had in that time were both a direct result of his play.
On one he showed for the ball on the edge of the box in what was a pretty tight area, took a good touch, then showed really quick feet to shift the ball enough to make room for a shot that flashed just wide of the post. I dont know how close it was in the end but it was a level of positivity and application we had previously seen frighteningly little of.
The other was a little more abstract and only resulted in a corner, but it came from a really probing ball Kirkez pinged forward into the channel, I think for Hugo. Kirkez only got the ball in a position where he could ping it forward because Chiesa had opened up the space for him, giving him a really nice angle for the pass forward. He picked up a second ball around the half way line and rather than headless chicken it forward the way he is presented by some, he recognized where the space was, brought the ball down, turned under a degree of pressure and the spread it to the opposite wing giving Kirkez a perfect opportunity.
It’s small stuff in the grand scheme but in the context it is positive stuff, far more so than his nay sayers suggest and far more than we’ve got a reason to expect from someone who has been so marginalized.
7 Likes