cynicaloldgit:
 
You can have brilliant players in mediocre teams, who don’t ever win any trophies, or shit players who win loads of trophies because of their team/squad.
 
 
You know what @GermanRed  meant, come on now.
Starting CBs on teams that have consistently won scads of trophies are bound to be good. Otherwise they wouldn’t have won that much.
Phil Neville was never a nailed on starter for United the way Ferdinand was for example.
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              
He asked what makes a player great if it isn’t trophies won.
What makes a player great is how good they are.
             
            
               
               
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              Fair enough, it’s one of the criteria and not necessarily the deciding one
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              Live Commentary on some Senegalese radio -
89:50 - 7 minutes added on 
96:59 - Annnnnnnnnnd it falls to ISMAILAAAAAAAAAAA SARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR…surely that’s the end of England’s World Cup dreammsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              ITV to mention penalties at least every 5 mins in their commentary 
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              Mendy has been curiously suspect this tournament
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              If he operates against Shaw (and Maguire next to him) we are in trouble. Recon Walker can handle him
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              This game is not on German tv - can’t believe it.
Watching a stream that is 80 seconds behind.
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
              
                toro  
                
               
              
                  
                    4 December 2022 19:02
                   
                   
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              Future Liverpool midfield
             
            
               
               
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              Nice bit of play from Hendo
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              Have to get rid of this Fox stream 
Commentator talking about Senegoal
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              Stupid of Rice to try that give and go there
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              They know to run at McGuire.
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
              
                ILLOK  
                
               
              
                  
                    4 December 2022 19:05
                   
                   
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Hope not, Nampalys Mendy is already 30.
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              Diatta looks like Mendy’s twin brother!
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              
 GermanRed:
 
Beckenbauer
 
 
Not just one of the best CB’s of his day but one of the most storied players of his day. Tough to compare players from different eras. I’m too young to know much about that era, but I wonder if the position requires different skills today. Faster pitches and so forth.
             
            
               
               
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                lfc.8  
                
               
              
                  
                    4 December 2022 19:10
                   
                   
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              As great as they were, easily ahead.
             
            
               
               
               
            
           
          
            
            
              
Nowhere near
How old are you? Have you seen them play? In the flesh? I’ve seen Ronaldo and Ronaldinho and Messi.
Maradona was better than all three of them