Florian WIRTZ: 2026/27

Wirtz had great games with Germany before and nothing changed in the PL.
Maybe the two weeks with Klopp will help this time.

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Of course it isn’t, because it was never the point in the first place.

Its not about the opposition, but about the system implemented and the central role of Wirtz in it.
Its also not simply about better movement of our forward line. Its about overall design of build-up play, both wrt, yes, movement ahead of him, but also the platform behind him.

Florian Wirtz is a system player…

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Agree… Etitike also made plays for Wirtz.
Its a different dynamic with Wirtz and Isak.

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But they don“t have some magic system.

They“re just playing a poor side that would get destroyed in the PL. Put that Germany team and their magic system in the PL and see if he shines.

I think he can and should shine here but the system isn“t stopping him from doing even basic things well right now for us. You dont spend 150 mil on a player that can“t play even fairly well without the perfect system, never mind can“t show top class abiility.

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If he’s lacking in anything right now for us I think it’s confidence, and hopefully a good showing for the NT means he’s had a boost in that regard. All good, as far as I’m concerned.

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Yes he looks absolutely devoid of confidence for us. Things that should come naturally he“s overthinking and messing up.

At the moment, something is very wrong in my opinion. Iraola has a lot of work to do to get his swagger back.

We say this on every international break.

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Just a thought… so dont criticize me too much.

But with Gakpo out. Can Wirtz play on the left, Barcola on the right.

And Macca in the #10 spot. ( more goal opportunities)

Nyoni and Grav as double pivot.

Dom at right back.

Thoughts?

If Gakpo and Isak are out it has to be

Barcola
Ngumoha Wirtz MuƱoz

Wouldn’t mess with the back 4, which looks solid

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I forgot about Isak. Was focused on Wirtz.

Yes Barcola has to play uptop now.

Gakpo / isak injury really exposes our lack of squad depth.

As for Wirtz, he needs a really good performance against the Cheaters. To restore the faith of the supporters.
All eyes will be on him.

If Gakpo is out, just play Macca Dom and Grav (or Nyoni for one) as a 3 and let Wirtz float from the left.

I think its possible to parse technical leftovers, like poor touch, a missed pass, etc, from systemic issues..

At which point, its not so much about the quality of opposition, but about the ability of the system to stimulate high performance.

Afterall, there are examples of poor performance by Wirtz against poor PL teams..

Hmm go on, im listening.

Yes, that was my thoughts in my initial post. To give Wirtz the left.

But i want to see macca at 10 though… Which means nyoni must start in double pivot.

Its a big game against City. But i think its a great chance to experiment a little against top competition. To know if these changes can actually work.

I see what you mean about using Macca““s goal threat more but do you not think it works best when he comes from deep rather than as a 10?

Worth experimenting though yes.

My thought process is to figure out who is the best option at 10, if Wirtz fails. As pointed out Dom doesnt excel back to goal.

Some people believe wirtz should be dropped. But if we drop him. What next?
Who replaces him if we keep that formtion? Or do we change formation? I dont think AI will change the formation. So Macca seems to me to be that guy.

But as you said, he is playing great in the double pivot.

Decisions, Decisions

Id argue we can“t play with a 10 without Wirtz.

Better off with a midfield three. I suppose you could argue it means a system change but I just don“t think we have any number 10s except him now that Elliott is gone.

Macca!

I think Wirtz does too much of the defensive work in midfield. A player with his qualities should do his work further up the pitch(imo in short).

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