Former players and managers - general discussion

Ready to chuck them under the bus. :grinning:

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Hopefully such a statement means a few more might down their tools.

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When was he a candidate for the Arsenal job?

Before Arteta

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Never heard of this.

Felt like he was pretty close for the ManU job after Ole but his chances for that are gone now.

Could see him take over Spurs after Conte gets the sack by the end of this year.

the same could be said of Rodgers

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Thats Rodgers for you, everybody to blame except Brendan,

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Yes, I think it was nearly half way into his first proper season at Leicester and they were on a good run heading into December… Lots of speculation which prompted Leicester to give him a new contract. Then his results started dropping off into the new year, so they finished outside of the top four.

He started well enough at Leicester, got them to give him a new deal on double the money. But it was money for old rope. He is short term. He is a talented coach, but not an elite coach. He is bright enough and can get players going… but can’t sustain it, and can’t build it up at the highest level.

He will always have a job as long as he wants it in football, but I don’t think he will get an opportunity at the highest level again, or if he does, it will be short term.

Taiwo Awoniyi says he is still dreaming of the PL and that everybody at Union is aware of that.

Pretty sure we‘ll see him at a club like West Ham soon.

Think we have a 10% sell on clause.

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Yep.

Rodgers caused the fall out with Suarez that made it inevitable he would leave at the end of the 13/14 season. He was also the reason Sterling left a year later.

He also betrayed Agger.

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Football is a so much about timing. There are so many moves that make sense for 2 parties, but often not for the third, and by the time the third party is ready one of the other two aren’t anymore. On the one hand that is a reason to understand why Rodgers left Celtic when he did. No amount of success at Celtic was going to be enough a reputational rehabilitation for a big club to want him, so he needed a good stepping stone if he wanted that move. There were lots of moves he could have made to come back to the Prem, but Leicester were that right one. The next move was about timing as for it to work for him, big jobs had to come up at a time when his reputation at leicester was high. It likely was not quite high enough before Arteta and now is on the way down again.

The same issue of timing may be what makes it difficult for the likes of Spurs or Arsenal to find replacements for the current guys when they need to make a change. The irony is that the bad timing for those clubs may in fact be what opens the door to Rodgers going there.

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Yep, timing in all this crucial, good point. When his star was rising again at Leicester, they doubled his salary (I think) from 5M to 10M, and this was a move to help ward off Arsenal, who were sniffing around at the time. It seemed like Leicester really pushed the boat out for him to pay him like an elite level Prem manager - I think he may even have been on more than Klopp when the deal happened.

Arsenal got Arteta, and Brendan settled down with his new deal, presumably with the remit to make Leicester top four candidates, which would have been great progress, even if they were champions under Ranieri when all the stars aligned that season. For Brendan, presumably once he got them in the running for top four again, other suitors would come back in for him… it was just a matter of timing. Good word.

Well, at present Leicester are far away from top four material. Had Rodgers done his job well enough at Leicester, you would have to think Man Utd would have been interested, as he is surely better than Solskjaer. But it looks like he is treading water now, and there are niggles between manager and players, going by what Rodgers said the other day.

He needs to build his reputation up some more to get a shot at a bigger job again. Whether or not he can do that at Leicester remains to be seen. They are a decent side, lower top/upper mid Prem, but they aren’t really knocking on the door or looking likely to break into the top group.

If I think about six of the biggest jobs in the Prem - Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs - Rodgers would not be in the running for any of them right now.

At present I would say someone like Potter at Brighton might even be more desirable than Rodgers for a big/biggish Prem job, largely because he has momentum and his star is rising. Arguably even Steven Gerrard, though he is only at the start of making his mark.

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'ullo, what’s all this then? Not heard that story, I don’t think. How did that go down?

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Posted a similar stat in the Trent thread as he’s currently 5 assists (all comps) away from drawing level with our record since the PL began - stat was used by the beeb. Someone on twitter with a bit more time on his hands has gone all the way back to the 60s tracking our top assister - 9 more for Trent will put him joint top, 10 will put him top. Depending on how long the cup runs go on for he’s in with a decent chance of doing it

Posting this one here because it’s got a lot more former faces popping up. Kenny is 6 of the top 7 - unreal. Trent is not the only full back on the list, nor is he the one with the most assists in a season (yet) - Stig Inge with a massive 17 assists in all comps (96-97) takes that honour.
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He told Suarez he could leave in the summer of 2013. Despite Rodgers having no authority to tell him that it also had no legal effect…however Suarez trusted that he could rely on it. Hence the infamous £40m +£1 bid prompting the “what are they smoking at the Emirates?” troll from JWH. Suarez took the matter to the PFA. Pere Guardiola, who was Suarez’ agent, sought to rely on a “good faith” clause. These are typically enforceable in Europe but not the UK. Suarez had to reluctantly accept he would not be able to legally challenge it before the end of the 2013 summer window.

The relationship between Rodgers and Suarez never recovered. It also led the club to agreeing (by around December 2013 iirc) that Suarez could leave in the summer of 2014 if a club matched their valuation (from memory this was ÂŁ70m).

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Long live the King

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Yes, this is the sort of stuff that I like.

F*ck them with their “since the PL in 1992” lists.

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As a former Liverpool manager he deserves some respect. We should afford him that at least. He did his best, almost won the league, lost his star player and it all went tits up from then on. For sure Klopp a) is more personable and b) won trophies. Another factor is that he spent the Coutinho money wisely on Alisson and Van Dyck, thus creating the spine that every successful team has to have, and we have had in the past. The Suarez money seems to have been wasted

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As mentioned, he played a big part in losing that star player. Hubris, is the word that springs to mind.

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