A decent player with his best years behind him. Hopefully Fsg replace him with someone better.
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He didnāt score the goal that secured Madrid.
True otherwise.
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The Netherlands lost 4-2 to Turkey. Wijnaldum and Kabak played 90 minutes, with no reports of them being injured.
Did not see the match but reading true reports on Dutch news sites: Wijnaldum did one of his for us well known disappearing acts in away matches.
Yeah heās oddly taking a beating on the socials from Dutch supporters. Specifically him, no one else in the side.
I will explain it when I visit Berlin and we are having a pint of German beer, itās a long story.
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Kabak makes sense, he is a defender, if he had come off weād probably be concerned, Gini was on a yellow and 3-0 he had 5 subs and kept him on even though he didnāt play well.
It really makes little sense from a football perspective, a second yellow and he loses him for both matches when the game looks gone and he isnāt playing well.
Now youāve got me curious. How about for those of us unlikely to visit Berlin. Donāt worry, you can just pm me and keep @Neukƶlln in dark until you visit Berlin 
Jk 
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I watched the first half. Wijnaldum wasnāt awful. Turkey packed their box and the Dutch struggled to get any chances.
Howās it going with Gini furthest forward of the 3 midfielders?
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I donāt think you are the most objective source when it comes to Liverpool players. 
He was horrible, invisible is what the newspapers write he got a 4 but most of them got that, only de Ligt got a 6.5.
Somehow people in the Netherlands think they have a team that can finish in the top 4 this summer and they are dreaming, besides van Dijk, de Ligt and de Jong, who are world-class nobody stick out except for being a total arrogant asshole without any manners, yes Iām talking about Depay.
Wijnaldum can be useful on a good day but the rest is mediocre at best.
Luckily my ancestors came from Madeira Portugal so I have a team to support. 
Definitely not a 4.
Wijnaldum played 80 minutes tonight, guess de Boer expects a big āthank youā from Klopp that it was not 95 minutes. 
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He did that on Wednesday considering it had been fruitless after about 70 minutes odd he kept him on.
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Is he still captain?
Currently at 142 games without an assist from open play for Liverpool.
Iām sorry but I hate seeing him as captain.
Heās not committed to the club, heās running his contract down but itās more than that.
Heās always been a passive player, he doesnāt change the game or play against the way the game is going. Thatās fine when we are playing well and/or winning.
But heās got no fire (except that one Barca performance when he played pissed off), drive, passion or leadership. Heās so passive and limp.
When the shit hits the fan you need someone rounding up the troops and firing them up. He did a very good impersonation of a silent, human statue for one of their goals last night. I know heās marking space ready for runners and thereās only one of their players in the box but itās the silence and lack of animation that annoys me.
He should be vocal and organising/encouraging the others. Henderson literally never shuts up no way heās not yelling at Phillips to cut out the ball if heās on the pitch.
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Heās passive in general on the ball and pretty overrated (still) in that aspect by so many fans. Heās a āfailedā attacking midfielder at the top level converted to a hard working central midfielder.
But one thing I could never question is his availability and commitment to the club. Him carrying the armband also doesnāt mean heās the only captain out there.
We donāt have to go too far after a bad overall performance/result last night.
It looks like every player thread will get a similar post.
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For me the problem is why is he wearing the arm band if he doesnāt have the capacity to step up and lead? It should mean something, it should inspire you to be moreā¦
First half especially rather than being a calming influence on the game he was one of the worst culprits for giving the ball away (and with some really basic bad passes). He was part of one of the worst midfield performances in years, zero intensity, zero control, zero anything. It was terrible on every single element. Very lucky Keita was mariginally worse.
Not good enough and performances like last night shows a player slipping back into the āghostā habits of the past and if it continues the right option is to let him leave.
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