I presume it was bone torn off by the ligaments (similar to my recent hip injury and an ankle injury I suffered many tears ago). I was considered for an operation on my hip but they decided that resting up would be enough. Harvey’s injury was much worst than mine so I was not surprised an operation was done considering he’s also a top sportsman. I haven’t a clue what they do (outside of resetting) I had trouble understanding the doctor on just the real basic stuff (he used french words but when they came out they didn’t form any coherent sentence).
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This video explanation posted by lfc.8 is really informative and seems spot on to the injury Harvey suffered
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He actually means that, doesn’t he? If not very nicely played I’ll say 
But the way he earlier posted it wasn’t a red, I think he means what he has posted without any hidden agenda/ sarcasm.
Just wondering if he’s undermining what Klopp is irritated about the rough tackles/ increased physicality in the game. It shouldn’t ideally and he’s allowed to express his opinion, but it isn’t straight forward with Klopp wanting to protect players with such dangerous play.
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I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Uncle Jürgen has a friendly chat with him after that.
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Regardless of circumstances, you know that if the same happened to city, United or Chelsea they would not turn the other cheek. Think it’s a mistake being nice about these tackles - will only make it harder for us to get refs who will protect our players.
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It (causing injury) wasn’t intentional but it was still a red card. Both feet off the ground, reckless, excessive force, pretty much from behind more than from the side. Definite red.
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What would be better in this instance, from the bigger picture perspective, is Elliot using a private message to Pascal saying what he feels, and not putting it out in public.
Albeit it’s nice to see him be supportive and positive through all of this, which will aide his recovery, it is undermining what Klopp’s been saying about letting the game flow. Letting the game flow means players have more rope, and therefore will make more risky challenges, increasing the chances of someone being snapped.
I’ve not changed my view on the challenge from when I first saw it (which is as @Kopstar sets out) and am glad that the FA have rejected the appeal.
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Yeah, someone should have a talk with the kid. He is after all, a kid.
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This is what confuses me though, as I understood it the talk of letting the game flow was originally in regards to borderline offside decisions and minor contact which a player uses to justify diving. Not scissor tackles and suplexes. Yet, media and refs are now justifying the latter as a way of tackling the former…?
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Heart in the right place and all that but he really needs to stay off social media about this.
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I personally feel he’s showing immaturity saying it’s not a red card. It’s not his decission!
Above all publically saying on social media, it undermines so many, Refs, Klopp, the game …
Over the telephone privately fine say what you feel and make it clear it’s your opinion.
Anyway I hope he recovers well from this injury, he has shown what a fantastic player he is and for his progression to be hit by this would be a catastrophy.
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To be fair I think the refs are still trying to find the right balance. Struijk was sent off, correctly, so now it’s clear that jumping tackles from behind are still very much illegal and we should see fewer of them. There has been a lot of discussion about Burnley and their tackling against Everton on Monday night. That was horrendous and it was a miracle no Everton player was seriously injured.
I’m all for the new approach because I don’t want to see VAR micro-analysing every incident for sign of any contact as happened last season. That was bullshit and no one wants to see that but it is becoming apparent there are some teams that are pushing the boundaries to see how much they can get away with. Burnley is the obvious example. You can still allow the game to flow without allowing players to go around maiming each other. It just requires refs to identify players and teams that are manifestly taking the piss and stop it.
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But his initial reaction wasn’t to send him off. That happened later, once he realised the player had been injured. Had Elliot got up to carry on, Strujik probably would have remained on the pitch.
Wasn’t VAR involved?
That was my understanding. From what I gathered VAR signalled the incident as the ref missed it, or something.
Yes, I know. You’ve taken that one line out of context and ignored everything else. I’m not sure what you’re getting at but the Struijk tackle and Pawson’s initial reaction to it has been done to death on here. I’m talking about refs finding the right balance with the new approach. I hope they can do that without a return to the bullshit of last season which made games unwatchable. There’s a fair stack of evidence now of where the line should be drawn.
How have I taken it out of context? Was the ref deciding the red card on the tackle or the effect of the tackle? If the latter, there is a good chance similar challenges in future will be let go…
So far the ex-pro view appears to be the tackle was legitimate. Has any of the ex ref commentators said anything about the tackle yet?
When did the Burnley match against Everton happen, before or after the Liverpool game? We’ve been discussing these sorts of challenges since game week one, and they are still being allowed, so I don’t see any evidence of refs struggling to find the right balance here. These aren’t cases where the player going down can be accused of diving to gain an advantage.
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Yes. Dermot Gallagher on Sky agreed it was a red, for all the reasons expressed here.
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I doubt anyone at the club is going to be bothered about him saying he didn’t think it was a red on twitter. Theyre smart enough to know that only makes his brand stronger among fans and therefore more likely to produce revenue.
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I think Elliott is reacting to Struijk’s intent, not what actually happened, and by definition he had a fairly poor view of what actually happened.
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