The club were probably banking on pocketing £35 million at the end of the season. Not looking likely now is it?
Yeah club get no credit for this deal. Not to mention Harvey comes back without any match conditioning and a ‘not good enough for villa’ smell. We’d probably have to take any cut price deal offered.
Don’t think the Club can be blamed for poor faith on Villa’s side although perhaps a little naieve. Villa took a chance, if Harvey had lit it up straight off the bat they’d have carried the can happily. Instead he’s looked a bit average they’re going, ‘Yeah, um… nah’ and used the leverage they had.
Loads of bad faith going around; Palace, Villa. Like I said, naieve.
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Naivety wrt loans and transfer dealings is exactly what I’d blame the club (presumably Hughes) for. Letting Harvey leave for an option to buy was stupid business and I hope we learn from it.
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Ja look I get what you’re saying but then every deal would have to be gone into with the assumption of bad faith. Clubs like Villa and Palace take the hit of that in the long run as clubs are aware that they don’t negotiate in good faith. Pulling the wool over is all shits and giggles until it comes to the transfer business that you really, really need and that’s when Villa, for example, will have to pay the piper. I’d still rather have our approach.
I had the impression there were other offers for Elliott and it was essentially Elliott who ‘chose’ Villa. It was then for the club to get what they could from it having agreed that the best thing for Elliott was to find a new club.
Imo Elliott didn’t do his homework and blaming the club is naive.
The deal stank from the off however it is what it is.
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There were a lot of reports of permanent bids from Germany from the usual reliable lot of journos. Harvey didn’t want to move abroad and nobody in the prem wanted to pay something close to what we value him at.
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Rubbish, how can they know that Villa will treat him like a piece of Trash.
This is all on Villa, the way they have gone about this says a lot about a club and it’s ethos.
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I agree with this.
I don’t think this can be equated to an ‘Italian Loan’. We know that Villa were Harvey’s choice, and Villa had PSR issues that would have prevented a fee paid outright. They tried to do right by Harvey and facilitate a deal that helped Villa with their accounting issues. There were rumours that the club had negotiated some kind of option on Morgan Rodgers as part of the deal.
I don’t think that it had anything to do with Harvey performing. Emery has made it clear since day one that he didn’t want him, and has essentially refused to play him. We can’t be held responsible for a recruitment disconnect at Villa, although I think we’ll think twice about doing favours for clubs in future.
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We have a bunch of kids on the bench every game, he’ll definitely be part of our squad when he returns.
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So, can Harvey play for us during the second part of the season, or not? That’s not yet clear for me.
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Season I assume you meant, can’t see why not as he can be registered from Thursday. And he’s home grown so won’t have that issue.
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Yes of the season of course. 
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Yeah he would be fine to play for us this season.
I asked that question because some posters seemed to believe that he won’t be able to play for us if he comes back. Can’t see why though.
I can’t see any rules that would bar him.
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A manager should have the right to choose who he thinks suits his way of play if he is responsible for the results. For that I can’t fault Slot at all on not selecting Harvey (like he seems to get criticism for). He won us a title doing it his way. But it should have been clear to everyone (especially Hughes), which players did not fit his vision. So if Elliott comes back and doesn’t play, or doesn’t come back for that reason, I won’t fault Slot. He will live and die by the team’s performance and results.
On the failure of Elliott’s loan, I also can’t completely fault Hughes too much either because the situation isn’t entirely of his making. Elliott turned down the opportunity to go to Germany and really participated in the selection of his future… that really cuts down the options in negotiations for Hughes.
BUT… while the blame for these transfer mishaps can’t be entirely pinned on Hughes, the lengthy list of them is quite suspicious.
a) Guehi’s deal falling through
b) This failure of a loan deal with Elliott
c) Isak drama >> getting him so late and so publicly
d) Lack of wingers and balance
e) Lack of midfield options to Gravenberch / Mac Allister
f) What the heck is Chiesa (and to a degree Endo) doing around still? Was Slot not clear enough last season?
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