I think that is a line crossed by Emery. Given Villaâs tight financial track there is some defense for how they have acted towards this deal even if you think its a shitty way to deal with a player. This is really distasteful though.
Fuck them, we were naive but they are clearly in bad faith. Hopefully no more of this loan to buy shit nonsense.
And in the meantime, Elliottâs career is in the doldrums.
Hard to have a strong opinion on this either way as weâve done nothing to help his career since Klopp left.
There were signs when the deal was agreed what exactly their intentions behind this was, a loan on deadline day is as desperate as it gets. Not sure Emery ever wanted him, he doesnât really fit the profile theyâre looking for.
The loan portion was merely a way to defer payments to next year to accommodate Villaâs difficult financial position. It was structured and approached by all parties as a permanent deal.
It wasnât a loan with an option to buy, it was a loan with obligation to buy after 10 (ten) games in all competitions.
There are other parties that need to be questioned more than us.
Chronologically, Elliott and his camp. What were their motivations going into the summer and options on the table. Especially after being player of the U21 tournament, although he was already 22 and realistically already a senior player of certain experience.
We had our price set and thatâs our right. Their right is to keep rejecting other potential offers they might have had before accepting Villaâs on deadline day. We used him in two games (total of 7 minutes), so that didnât help (perhaps the only move we could criticize us), but itâs not like it was so obvious what would happen at Villa.
Big question for him and his agents are, couldnât you really find something for him before deadline day? Or was it the PL and a club like Villa or ânothingâ? Because we see that there is competition there also.
Itâs mostly a combination of the mess from Villaâs decision making and the player and his entourage who couldnât find something else before deadline day, possibly rejecting some offers that might have been better for him.
If Liverpool donât remove the clause we wonât play him.
Can anyone explain what the fucking point of the PFA is?
I think Ben Jacobs a few days ago spoke of the possibility of renegotiating the deal (to protect his market value ahead of the summer, he will have a year left on our deal if he comes back), but so far it seems like weâre holding our ground.
The 10 game clause isnât making much sense to me, if it was approached as a straight sale taking into effect from next season, then why not a loan that becomes permanent regardless.
Liverpool: âWe donât want him!â
Aston Villa: âWe donât want him so wonât play him however we might need him to help finish out the season so change the deal.â
Nothings changed except it out in the open.
Perhaps that is treated as a permanent move from this season for the purposes of financial rules? 10 games at least gives the element of doubt to consider it still only a loan?
While he may have rejected potentially better offers, I am struggling to think why his camp would have had any reason to doubt Villaâs sincerity or offer last summer? A club with history competing for European places, a manager with a good reputationâŚ
I donât think the sincerity of the offer or Villa or Emery would be the questions.
But whether he had offers from clubs where there was a greater need for him and more football on disposal. If he thought (perhaps he didnât) heâd just go from Liverpool to Villa and walk in their XI, thatâs not necessarily how it necessarily works. They have competition there also.
When an offer is on the table itâs black and white, there are no emotions. But there is looking at things in detail, talks about how they see him, etc.
And possibly (Iâm not saying everyone in the business should know this), if you do your homework, perhaps youâd hear about the issues behind the scenes with Monchi, etc. There is talk that he was pushing for that signing more than Emery.
He might have to accept dropping down another level. Maybe end up at a place like Wilson at Fulham or something like that. If he doesnât want to leave the PL.
Not even in the squad today.
Hope Hughes has put a big red flag next to Villa in our contacts directory.
I saw on the BBC rumours page that Newcastle were interested in Curtis Jones, as were Villa. The exact same thought occurred to me. Why would we do business with them again in the near future?
Why wouldnât we?
Some fans look at these things with more drama than there really is.
They are business people, they will continue making business between themselves if they come to agreements. Yesterday, today, tomorrowâŚ
Because theyâve demonstrated that theyâre an unreliable (at best) negotiating partner?