Maxi, Babel…
I think Townsend will be an alright signing for them.
They could even finish 9th
Mark Gonzalez.
Sebastian Leto…!
Cheers Uncle Joe
I don’t think anyone really cares round here to be honest. I don’t think it will make any difference to the number of visitors to the city and we badly need the Bramley Moore Dock development. The economic benefits from that will directly benefit the local economy and community far more than a Unesco status that few people were even aware of…the new development in a long derelict site will create approximately 9000 jobs for locals and revitalise that area.
Prof Michael Parkinson, from the University of Liverpool said the proposed developments affected only a small part of the city.
“So now you’ve got two visions of what Liverpool can be. A museum or a mausoleum where there’s no development because Unesco says it doesn’t want it,” he told The National before the vote.
“Or you try and have quality developments in this massive site, which has lain derelict for 60 years, which has huge potential … which is immediately adjacent to North Liverpool, which is the worst part of Liverpool and the worst part of the UK, and the worst part of some of Europe.”
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Seems hyperbolic.
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Very few actually live in that area. It isn’t residential. It is an industrial wasteland so not sure what he means…
I’m sure there are derelict areas like that all over Europe.
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I think you’re right.
Better to have these places restored and used than just left alone so that you can have a special badge.
To my mind there’s a happy compromise where you can restore and develop and area while maintaining the original look and feel of the area. Don’t tell us Engineers but Architects do have their uses from time to time.
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Apparently it was the blueshites planned development of Bramley Moore Dock that proved to be the final straw with regards to UNESCO’s decision.
I think that UNESCO were rather precipitate in withdrawing World Hermitage status, given that although planning permission for the bitters new stadium has been granted, obtaining planning consent and actually building the thing are miles apart.
Let’s face it, unless the blueshites’ Russian oligarch Usmanov divvies up pretty much all the cash, there is no way the blueshite can afford the £500 million+ it’s going to take. 
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I think building a flying saucer on sticks probably got them.
I know places that have been able to incorporate supermarkets and other stuff. None of what’s called for down there is in keeping with the rest of it.
Also the hyperbole from the professor does discredit some of the other stuff he says.
It needs developing but last time I was down there it was Garages and lock ups. Not sure how it’s the worst area in the world as he describes it.
It needs developing as I said but the plans for the stadium just seemed your average retail park, after all remember the Musuem of Liverpool is hardly old looking.
Genuine question, that’s stadium is 50k plus (55k I think I read) - will they fill it?
If I remember correctly, he was one of the best players on the pitch in that game.
We could have easily scored 2 or 3 goals had someone got onto the end of a few of his crosses in that game
Once a season when it gets taken over by the Redmen
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Maybe it doesn’t fulfill this quality? Hence Unesco jumping ship? Genuine question, as I don’t know that project.
Unlikely, but they are on a charm offensive at the minute in the city, trying to attract a lot of kids.
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Not sure. I suspect they see a shiny new modern stadium not in keeping with the docks heritage.
I’m slightly surprised this wasn’t brought up in the planning process. Normally it would be a key aspect of the process.
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Uncle Joe needed his cash back
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As a planner, I couldn’t help but look it up. Taken from the officers report - that can be found here.
Historic England consider that the proposal would result in substantial harm to the significance of the Grade II listed Bramley Moore Dock, through its infilling. This would result in a very high level of harm to the Stanley Dock Conservation Area and cause a very large harmful impact to a World Heritage Site, an asset of the highest (international significance which the UK Government has committed to conserve, protect and explain. UNESCO’s World Heritage Committee has identified the WHS as being in danger of being lost due to developments being permitted which the Committee regards as harmful.
It is for these reasons that Historic England advises that this application should be refused, unless the decision-maker concludes that the proposal is necessary to secure substantial public benefits which would outweigh the substantial harm to Bramley Moore dock and the harm to the World Heritage Site which the proposals would cause. In view of the implications of the proposals for the World Heritage Site Historic England also consider the application should be determined by the Secretary of State and indicated they shall ask that it be called in for his determination.
UNESCO – Object to the application on the grounds that siting a stadium as proposed in Bramley-Moore Dock Stadium would have a completely unacceptable major adverse impact on the authenticity, integrity and Outstanding Universal Value of the WHS property. UNESCO consider the stadium development should not proceed at this location. This objection is stated with reference to a Technical Review of the proposals undertaken by ICOMOS in their capacity as advisors to UNESCO. The objection also re-iterates this opposition to the scheme is consistent with UNESCO’s previous advice that it is not appropriate for further new developments within the WHS property, and its buffer zone, to be approved and built until such time as the necessary input studies and plans have been fully completed and the Desired State of Conservation for the removal of the property from the List of World Heritage in Danger and Corrective Measures have been finalised, agreed, and endorsed by the World Heritage Committee. Furthermore, concerns are expressed over the consultation process undertaken for the application given the volume of application documents and time period allowed. Concern is also raised that the terminology used in the Heritage Impact Assessment is misleading and the report submitted with the application should not be seen as an ICOMOS endorsed document.
Basically, it was a toss up, the officer report on the matter ends with;
In this respect although it is acknowledged that the development will result in harm to heritage assets of the highest importance and that level of harm has been assessed to be at the substantial end of the scale, it is considered that there are wholly exceptional grounds for approving the application in that the development would bring significant public benefits to an area that is in real need. The application is a unique opportunity and it is considered there are compelling reasons why on balance the development is necessary to achieve substantial public benefits that outweigh the harm that would occur.
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The planned capacity is 52,888. In its submission to the planners, the blueshite claimed to have over 17,000 on its waiting list for season tickets. Add that to the number of existing season ticket holders (31,500) you get 48,500, hence the planned capacity.
However assuming that they might actually achieve that number of season ticket sales ignores the elephant in the room. The blueshite have some of the cheapest ticket prices in the league and as a consequence their current cesspit only generates £360 per seat, per season.
There is no way they can fund a £500 million pound stadium with that level of return.
Consequently I believe ticket prices will have to rise significantly, certainly doubling perhaps by even more. How well will demand hold up in the face of that sort of increase?
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