Joe GOMEZ: 2022/23

I’ve dogged Joe massively for turning his back when failing to defend goals recently, but that wasn’t an issue with the deflection. He only turned after the ball had already deflected off him.

As for the other goals there is a ton of culpability to go around.

The second? How is he even involved int he conversation. You dont buy a keeper at Alisson’s price and then ask that a CB boot the ball into touch when instead you can pass it back to a proper footballer and give him plenty of time for what to do with it. There was a game easier in the season where he played Ali into trouble with backpass (Ali had come off at an angle and Joe knocked it square a mile away from Ali and straight to a forward), but this was not that.

He didnt need to make the challenge on the free kick prior to the third.

His effort in getting back into position on the 5th was poor (and what’s the point of having fantastic covering pace if you dont use it), but these are minor things on goals where errors were everywhere, with many far more egregious

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Could’ve blocked it a bit better, but I had more issues with Hendo’s move at Vini’s first goal. What the hell was that.

Could’ve passed it a bit better to Alisson, but that was almost entirely Alisson’s fault (not the first time he made a mistake like that).

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Yeah I wasn’t concerned with the pass, it wasn’t the best - bobbled a bit - but more than good enough for Ali to deal with.

We encourage more risky passing like that. Sometimes it’ll backfire, it’s just part of trying to use the goalkeeper as another outfielder in possession.

He was absolute shite a embarrassment to the shirt. Are you in love with him or something.

You always start going when anyone mentions how crap Joe is.

So me describing him as ‘he wasn’t brilliant tonight, but hardly the worst on display’ is being in love with him? Perhaps me saying I’m fine with him as squad player, but he wouldn’t be starting when everyone is fit is me licking his balls?

Christ, we are now in the Lucas zone where if you are not putting the boot into him at every opportunity and blaming him for shit that isn’t his fault (like a goalkeeper kicking one in his own fucking goal) you’re painted as a lovelorn obessessive?

My position on Gomez has been fairly consistent for a while. He his nowhere near as bad as people say, but not so good that he should be considered more than third or fourth choice.

If you think that makes me ‘in love with him’, it says more about you than me.

This reply better be fucking good…

Worst player on the pitch, not sure why Klopp left him on so long , no goals conceded after he got subbed.

He got subbed because of a suspected hamstring injury.

I think Fabinho was the worst player on the pitch, again, and there were are few others who stood out more than him.

He wasn’t at particular fault for any of the goals, but he was part of a defence that visibly lost confidence as the second half went on and couldn’t get to grips with the Madrid attack.

There is definitely a mentality issue with him, that he can look really good, but struggles to put individual and team mistakes behind him.

If Konate was fit he obviously isn’t starting last night, and I’d certainly be looking at a defender this summer to push him down to fourth in the pecking order.

Oh dear. There I go again, wanking him off with effusive, gushing praise. I’m such a lovestruck idiot where Joe is concerned.

Gomez already is 4th choice CB on paper, that is hardly going to change if he’s here next season and unless he starts improving (if the new player struggles).

We first have to see if we even plan to sign a CB this summer and move on one of the existing ones, like Matip or Gomez.

We made a big mistake of not signing a Lovren replacement, going with 3 CB’s (two of which already had injury problems) in the 20/21 season, then Konate was signed immediately in 2021 and early on it was clear that Gomez is 4th choice.

Matip played 43 games last season, then Konate managed to push him more at the end of the season which resulted in him starting in Paris ahead of Joel.

Gomez last consistently quality period for us was a few years ago. Since then, it was more the odd game here and there, which is not enough. Of course, he was also unlucky with injuries.

His best period was right at the start of 18/19, him and Gini were in my opinion our two best players in the opening part of that season. He also had a good little run in the team in our champion, following season.

His weaknesses were clear even then, now he’s a worse and more inconsistent player and it doesn’t look like he’ll be going back to those levels any time soon.

He’s averaging around 22 games per season in 7 and a half seasons with us, so it’s not like he’s this always available and reliable defensive cover across the back 4. For him to be useful these last few years he first has to be injury free and perform. Not something we see enough of.

Regardless what happens this summer and who leaves, it’s clear that there will have to be some decisions around Matip and Gomez in the next couple of windows (I’d like to see something already this summer), before we start opening the Virgil replacement question. Which is still not here, but it might be around the corner. Konate also has some steps to make before he’s fully become a regular starter, but we can say he’s safe considering his age and relatively promising start so far.

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The big difference was Gomez was in defence and did very little to stop any of the goals even gave away the stupid free kick for nò 3.

Vinicius’ goal (1st) - Gomez doesn’t close him down

Vinicius’ goal (2nd) - Gomez under hits the back pass (not all his fault)

Militao’ goal (3rd) - Gomez concedes the freekick which leads to the goal

Benzema’ goal (4th) - Gomez deflects the ball into the net

Nightmare. :rage:

Every now and then, especially when our form is not great, one player becomes a lightning rod for criticism. Lucas Leiva had it. Jordan Henderson had it. Gini got it too. Now it’s Joe Gomez

You get a mentality where no matter what has happened, critics will start actively looking ways to blame the player for anything that go’s wrong. Highlighting Gomez’ role in the second is a good example of this. It’s absolutely wild to apportion any blame on Gomez for what Ali does, but here we are. He is the lightning rod. It must be his fault. Somehow.

Let’s go through this.

For fucks sake, it’s an outrageous goal, and sometimes we have to applaud ability rather look for mistakes. Swap over Gomez and Van Dijk there if you want, it’s not getting stopped.

In the build up I’d like about five of our players to get closer to Madrid and actually put in a tackle, or take the foul, but it’s hardly Gomez’ ‘fault’.

Not all his fault? Not his fault in the slightest.

Bajcetic loses the ball high up the pitch, and the ball loops into the air towards our own goal. Gomez get in front of Vinicius, controls the ball, and plays a routine back pass to the best Goalkeeper in the fucking world. Who then inexplicably twats it against Vinicius and into his own goal.

There is simply no part of that that is Gomez’s fault. When I watched it happen the thought did cross my mind that at least no-one can pin that on Joe. How naive of me!

Yeah, it’s a soft free kick, but that happens.

I’m more concerned about what happens next. The complete immobility of the entire defensive line (including Gomez) as the ball is whipped in, Trent allowing Militao a free run from the back post, and Darwin’s lazy attempt at a block (The Gomez style jump in the air and turn your back effort, but we like him so it’s sound)

This is the one where he is most culpable, and he is perhaps a bit lazy in how he moves for the block. But it’s a defection. It happens and it’s unlucky.

So there we go. Some culpability for a couple of the goals, but in no way was his performance the car crash that is being described. It was a poor team performance, but he was hardly the worst, while being nowhere near the best. Probably somewhere in the middle. Maybe lower middle at worst.

I’m sure what follows now is a load of snide posts that I’m in love with Joe, or I’m obsessed or something. Cos that what we do on the internet - if someone disagrees let’s act like they have taken the most absurdly over the top position so it’s easy to ridicule them.

I’m not in love with him. If he goes in the summer I’ll remain of the option that it’s a stupid decision, but I won’t shed any tears. I don’t think on form he can expect to be starting when everyone is fit. I don’t think he looks like he’s getting back to the level he showed prior to doing his knee for the third time.

But when some people are trying to blame him for Alisson fucking up a routine backpass, it’s obvious that we’ve crossed a threshold from fair criticism to absurd scapegoating.

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Easy target to get likes, I have stopoed trying to defend him because people are blinkered, but they will say that about us.

Remove the exaggerations and it’s not surprising he’s getting some criticism this season.

But it’s not only the big mistakes over which we all agree on, sometimes it’s an accumulation of smaller things as well.

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I would take him out of the firing line now and rest him… If Konate is not fit for the second-leg then I would bring him back into the team and tell him how good he has been for us in the past… Tell him he got us into this shit with RM, now go out there have the game of his life and get us back out of the shit… If RM score in the 2nd leg then it more or less would be game over… he needs not to let that happen.
If he f***s up again, then he may as resign himself to being 4th or 5th choice as back-up because his reputation will be finished with the LFC faithful.

Being negative doesn’t get any likes.

He’s an easy target because he’s shit and has been for a long time. You are being overly sensitive.

He is just part of a defensive set up which has become incredibly passive at everything. Even Van Dijk is guilty of this but it happens far less regularly than everyone else.

From Trent and Robbo failing to get out to stop crosses, to Gomez turning his back our backline has gone from proactive and dominance to reactive and whipped.

Matip is just as bad and sadly Konate who is aggressive and dominant appears to have hamstrings made of cheese.

There is a reason we conceed a fucktron of goals from set pieces, the same reasons as above passive and reactive rather than proactive.

Big changes are needed in defense as well as attack. Gomez would be fine as a 5th choice but because anyone 3/4th choice here ends up being the 1st choice for over half the season we need better.

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When he plays good i praise him and When bad i barely said anything. Im in my 60’s and dont get annoyed with fans saying players were poor when they have been. :face_with_peeking_eye::face_with_peeking_eye:

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