Liverpool v Chelsea (ELC Final 27/2/22 4.30pm) , Thanks Kepa & Tuchel

Ok, I understand your perspective, but still struggling to understand your response. Are you suggesting that it is their success with the approach previously (the right outcome despite being the wrong decision) that made him do it again here? If so, that isnt it. It is simply that from their work together Kepa is acknowledged as the better penalty stopper. And Im sure they have data on it, beyond the limited use cases of actual competition, that backs that up.

With that said, I agree in something like this you cannot think only of the data but of the emotional and psychological inputs. I think the points you raise are reasonable. The counter to that though is that for the 20 minutes prior, while the actual keeper was working to keep Chelsea in the tie, Kepa was studying data with their analysis supposedly preparing him for the penalty takers he was about to face. The issue is Liverpool said fuck you to their data.

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Fist pump and a wry smile when Milly got the Liverpool end.

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ā€œJorgi, you know you won the toss, right?ā€

My thoughts. Virgil and Lukaku were technically fouls or offsides. But both were no advantage. In an ideal footballing referring world or however you put it the game is a 1-1 game. Iā€™m not a fan of the nitpicking in those decisions.

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Re-watching the penalties, I really hate the Wembleyā€™s mobile camera at such low positions behind the penalty takers and without different angles replays.

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Yes, goddam it, the fireworks!!!

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Whether the world club cup was the wrong decision with the right outcome or last night was the right decision with the wrong outcome (from their point of view) I think is not really the point (not to mention disprovable either way).

I think using a sub to bring an alternate keeper on for the pens is the wrong thing to do for a variety of reasons - the tactical (Tuchel denying himself a potentially game changing fifth outfield sub), the wrong thing for Mendy (basically not trusting him on the shoot-out) and the wrong thing for Kepa (putting him under immense pressure). Iā€™m sure the data supports that decision, but the skill of management is when to follow the data, and when to look beyond it. The data last night

Sometimes it might look like genius, and sometimes it might blow up in your face, but it doesnā€™t make a lot of sense to read too much into the result, since a shoot out is about the closer you can get in modern football to a coin toss anyway.

If you want a comparison, you only need to look at Jurgen. The result oriented sensible thing to do is to play Alisson. Iā€™m sure thatā€™s what the data says. But Kloppā€™s decision is bigger picture and longer term. He recognised that this was really Kelleherā€™s cup and irrespective of the final result he had earned the right to have that game. He says as much in his post match interview. He was vindicated last night, but on another day Kelleher could have been overawed by the occasion and made a mistake. But I think Jurgen would still take that decision. Iā€™m not sure Tuchel would stand by his.

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Well their one was extra time so that would never have happened.

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Really hate the plastic fans not having good songs of their own and kept using Stevie Gā€™s song. Guess we should make one for Kepaā€™s goal-kick style penalty.

Oh, and the ā€œno respectā€. Haa! Just love re-watching this over and over

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Virgilā€™s was stunning for that, the kind of moment that derails careers. I canā€™t see Kepa being at Chelsea next year.

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When Chelsea fans sings Stevieā€™s song, we probably should use the same tune and sing something like this backā€¦

Hey Chelski Kepa
Canā€™t save shite at all, naa naa
Then skied the pen ooh~la~la
Hey Chelski Kepa

Or
Hey Chelski Kepa
Sub Zero 'Leven, HaaHaa
Then skied his to Ju-pi-ta
Hey Chelski Kepa

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Kepa ainā€™t enough of a footballer for him to have songs written for

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Agreed. Also donā€™t think we need to sing about the plastics: they can just have a generic plastic ā€˜aint got no historyā€™

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Whoā€™s gonna buy him off them tho?

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SandCastle

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100% agree you only have to at the players and fans to see how much it means.

He is still a good keeper, just not the elite keeper they paid for. Chelsea will take a huge loss on him, and likely have to loan him for a year because of his wages. But I donā€™t see a way back for him after that kind of performance - and especially that kind of moment. Van Dijk takes up an awful lot of room when he is living rent-free in your head, heā€™s a big lad.

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I hope Maurizio Sarri was watchingā€¦ Kepa humiliated that guy in refusing to be substituted

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He was probably having a good chuckle to himself.

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You can see the Boss turned away and not watching the pen. Afterwards, a fist pump and walked over to Tuchel.
Who are the 3 huddling together :joy:? Taki, Naby and Diaz? I canā€™t tell.