Losing the midriff "wobble" or the TAN diet/exercise thread

Exercise as a weight loss tool is an interesting one. Numerous studies have discovered that exercise has only a marginal affect upon weight. Some studies have even found that regular exercise may cause the body to store excess energy in readiness for the demands of exercise.

Exercise has many many benefits and there may be a cascade effect where the body moves toward an optimum level, to facilitate weight loss - like tuning an engine. The evidence for this is hard to establish but it seems like a valid theory. There is no doubt whatsoever that exercise is good for you but little evidence that it has any significant prolonged impact on weight.

60 studies were reviewed in this link.

Not sure if I’ve told you my story……

So up until the age of 29 (2004) I played football 3 times a week and was slim apart from the summer of 1997 where for some reason I ballooned to 16.6 stones (I was normally about 15st and 5’11) and had an awful season as I couldn’t get about the pitch. Joined weight watchers in the summer and lost 2.4 stone. Started off the next season with so much energy and had about 8 goals in 4 games from CM.
Fast forward to 2004 and a knee injury ended my footballing days - still have trouble with it now and need a new knee but too young - and the surgeon said whatever you do keep active and don’t put on weight….so I ignored that and shot up to 18.6 stone by 2008. I felt so low when I tried to get on floor with son to play and I was out of breath.
So back to weight watchers and I lost 4 stone over 18 months and was well happy with 14.6 stone.
I’ve never liked gyms (still don’t really) or exercise just football and a bit of boxing.
So in 2019 (few days after Madrid) my mate said I was looking really well and have I ever thought about going gym to tone up. I said no as I don’t like them but went along with him and enjoyed it to a point.
I didn’t want to become big just try and get a six pack and lose my love handles that have always been there. All was going well until……Lockdown. Working from home and no gym. I completely stopped moving. To make it worse (for my weight) I took up guitar which is done sitting down.
Gyms reopened and I had put a bit of weight on but thought the gym would shift it….then lockdown 2. Gyms closed and I have been working from home since March 20.
Again didn’t move much and played lots more guitar.
Gyms opened again and by time went back I looked awful. My eating habits hadn’t changed I just stopped moving for best part of nearly all of the lockdowns.
Been gym since they reopened and I just hated the way I looked. I’d put on weight and just bulked by lifting weights down the gym. I saw a photo of myself at a party and I felt so depressed.
So there’s a guy at work who is a part time PT and he has been given me advice about how to loose this weight (without it dominating my thoughts and life) and he said before lockdown we all walked on average about 6000 steps a day without knowing it so I need to start moving.
I explained I lost weight fairly easy before with no gym or exercise so he said you’ve stopped moving and is just giving me tips on eating and protein.
I changed tea to matcha tea (very nice) to kick start my metabolism and have been going for 6000-8000 step brisk walks every day for the last week either on treadmill or around a park and when at gym lower my weights (could bench 120kg) and do more reps. Plus I use the cycle machines as easy on the knee.
Already I can see and feel a huge difference in my face and stomach and it’s only been 10 days.
I don’t think I put that much weight on just stopped moving. So in a few weeks I’ll be properly back to where I was.

Side story I was given a number of health coach by someone and gave them a buzz and he explained no one should ever diet and he could help me shift weight etc without one. He only wanted £2.2k for 3 months!

So now that I’ve bored you all……as you were.

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@Walshy07

Lifting weights doesn’t make you gain weight, that’s all about your diet. There are a long list of benefits that resistance training offers that are often overlooked because people think it’s all about vanity.

‘Toning up’ just means improving the ratio of muscle to fat. To do that, keep lifting weights, do your walking/cardio and track your caloric intake and make sure you’re burning more than you’re consuming.

Weight loss is about diet and improving body composition is about exercise. Without doing the right exercise a lot of the weight anyone will lose will be fat free mass e.g. muscle.

I seemed to look like I gained muscle then put weight on top if it - i was starting to look like an Olympic weight lifter rather than someone who was looking to tone up. Something went wrong somewhere.

The bloke at work was saying what i eat isnt bad but could do with a bit more protein so I have changed things up a bit - started moving and bingo its working.

Just recently came across this thread and have been following it with great interest. A bit disappointed to read that exercise really has minimal effect on weight loss , and not entirely sure I agree.

But anyway , my problem is that the weight I am trying to lose is exclusively around the midriff region. Typical beer belly I suppose , although I haven’t touched the stuff for years. (A glass of wine with meals now is my entire intake of alcohol.)

Even when I have lost weight , and this current attempt has seen me lose the grand total of 4kg this year , it never seems to come from the place where I want to lose it.

I just got myself a mountain bike and am doing 30mins a day hoping this might work.

Any input would be welcome.

I have often wondered how much exercise does make you lose weight. I think just moving more helps.
As per my bit about when I lost 4 stone I didn’t do any exercise at all.
Just my normal daily stuff.
I am limited to what I can do in a gym as well due to my knee. I have another tear in meniscus but my surgeon doesn’t want to operate yet so I cant run or do a lot of “leg” day - just mainly calfs.

I guess you dont want to throw all your eggs in the “exercise” basket because what happens if for some reason you cant do it regularly or for a long period of time or get bored of it (like I do)?

As Illok said my understanding is that you don’t lose weight efficiently by exercising and having a bad diet. You have to strike a balance between healthy eating and exercise.

I run 25+ miles a week and do 5x30 pushups + sit-ups a day but it’s dieting that has seen me lose significant weight. The strength training has helped me increase my mileage in running, avoid injuries and improve my physical appearance (I’m a long way from having a 6 pack and that’s not my goal but my arms and body look significantly more muscular)

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If you’re looking to burn stored fat then I’d suggest giving a keto diet a go for a few months. Obviously do some research into beforehand though as it can be quite a tedious process tracking certain things/making meal plans etc and a pretty big shift away from what one would consider a normal diet. Some people struggle initially with “keto flu” as well so it’s worth considering if you can be assed putting yourself through that, though personally I’ve never experienced it whilst adapting to the diet.

A few resources from Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/keto_in_a_nutshell

https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq

https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/how_to_start

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I lost 46KG in less than a year by pure dieting, almost zero exercise. Not that exercise is not important but I guess it depends at which stage you are in your weight loss. I am now in a plateau because there is only so much you can change or reduce in your diet. Its either you eat lesser or you change what you eat. But exercise I guess is important because losing 46KG does not mean my agility becomes better. I think overall exercise would have aided my cardio, my agility, mobility etc…and I think now that I am at a plateau, exercise would be key to me losing the next 1kg, the next 2 kg etc…

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Hang on hang on

I always thought that Paul Walsh was 5’2" and about 9 stone dripping wet?

What’s gone on here?

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Not strictly true. You will certainly gain weight just through adding muscle mass. You’re correct that you also need to lose the fat bit or you just become a soft block that is pretty strong. I’d even argue this also happens with a regime of lifting smaller lighter weights rather than going heavy aka power lifters / body builders.

100% agree on the benefits of resistance training though. One being that your metabolism stays elevated for some time after the work out. That doesn’t happen with cardio.

I’m always wary of the protein thing as in reality we don’t really need that much of it. The one benefit from good protein levels is that you naturally consume less with it. Please note that excess protein can stress your body.

Yeah I dont go overboard with proteins just make sure I have enough a day.
Plus treat myself to a few carbs after the gym as you need them.

Don’t stop. The benefits of exercise are far reaching. While I agree that weight loss only really happens with diet you also have to have the exercise to maintain muscle mass at the same time.

No breakfast, couple of crackers (cheese or humous), the odd biscuit followed by grazing (1 beer + a meal and snacks) from about 5 till 8! Less grazing if not supplemented with a 5-8 km run every 3rd or 4th day. That worked for me. Lock down was great for getting the weight back to the <60 kg, on that “diet”, plus being able to fit in the run around working from home, was really beneficial.

Just sharing my experience and personal take on losing weight (and being healthy) here. Caveat, I only lost 15% from my peak weight. So if you are looking to lose more than that, then probably my lifestyle/method won’t work. But if you are looking to maintain your current weight or reduce slightly, then we could exchange pointers. Well, here goes…

Number 1 culprit of weight gain, as many have stated here, is definitely carbs. I had always been a heavy carbs eater until five years ago. Even now, I still indulge in carbs every now and then. I cannot help it. However, the key is the type of carbs you eat. Go for wholemeal or unrefined carbs if possible. Oats, wholemeal bread, brown rice. Eating such carbs enables you to feel full for a longer period of time. It is also dull, so you won’t feel like eating much of it. Net result? You eat less carbs over a period of time. My carbs intake has halved over the last five years. Now, I only take less than half a plate of rice for dinner. I would also like to add that, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the food pyramid. It was done in a period when most people were still performing manual work. So it made sense to have a high carb diet as the body would have utilised most of the energy. However, the combination of a more automated and convenient world (read couch potatoes) and invention of more sinful food (read fast food and sugary food/drinks) rendered the food pyramid no longer relevant. But that is for another story.

Second, regular exercise, at least thrice a week or every alternate day. This achieves three purposes. One, burn the calories you have taken. Two, increase your base metabolism. And three, enable a healthy gut to digest and pass out what you have eaten. Speed is not of essence. Instead, duration matters. So, no point completing the mile under 4 minutes or 2KM under 9 minutes. Go for at least 20 minutes worth of cardio workout. Some strengthening exercise also helps prevent injury. To motivate myself to exercise regularly, I set myself a “reward” upon completion of the exercise, which can be as simple as jogging to my favourite coffee joint, or, a cube of dark chocolate as a snack.

Third, minimal snacking, especially at night. It is fine to snack occasionally in the afternoon, especially if you had a light lunch. But try to abstain from snacking at night. During sleep, the rate of calorie burn would slow down significantly and the snack becomes part of your excess weight.

Hope this helps!

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And, for many of us, the number one source of carbs is alcohol.

I really noticed the difference during the lockdown; instead of going to the pub straight after work most days, I was only drinking at weekends with the missus.

Makes a huge difference.

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My old father in law would never eat a thing after 6pm every day…the odd occasions when he had little choice, nights out etc he was always very reserved and nibbled at food that was put in front of him… He reckoned it stemmed back to when he was a youngster, growing up in a very poor environment, when there was hardly any food to feed him or his siblings…
Anyway, my point, he lived until he was 97, and still doing his garden everyday until he was 94!
His philosophy, eat little but eat often…!

Reminds me of the 16:8 diet, extolled by many.

You fast for sixteen hours each day and only eat food during an eight-hour period. The times are up to you, depending upon your lifestyle, but you just need to ensure you only eat during that eight-hour window.

What you eat is obviously limited, too. You can’t starve yourself for two-thirds of the day and then fill your face with pizza, burgers and beer.

Although I have tried.

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It is strictly true, it’s the laws of physics. You can only put on weight by consuming an excess of energy whether you lift weights or not. By lifting weights you encourage the body to partition nutrients towards building muscle rather than being stored for fat, but you don’t suddenly gain more weight than you would otherwise. If you lift weights when actively trying to lose weight you’ll retain more muscle, lose more fat and generally look better. Adding some muscle onto your frame raises your metabolism a bit, too.

@peterroberts just be mindful of not over consuming calories to compensate and all that biking will certainly help you lose weight (as well as all the other benefits that come with it). Unfortunately you can’t target the areas you lose weight from, you just need to keep going and eventually your belly will start to melt away.

@Walshy07 you must be the first bloke I’ve seen moaning that you’ve gotten too big in the chest and arms :rofl:

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I was referring to lifting weights without any change in diet for the better. Muscle weighs more than fat remember. That’s physics too!