Motorsports - F1, Superbikes etc

Should consider to do like NASCAR. No race ends on a yellow (safety car). Always two laps of green flag racing to end the race. Then, if there is a yellow during those two laps, the race finishes as ordered at the time of the caution.

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The only scenario that would have seen Lewis benefit from pitting was the one that played out, the one no one imagined and was made up on the spot. Every other scenario would have seen him lose track position with no real opportunity to get it back. You cannot compare his decision to Max’s because Red Bull had nothing to lose by going in again.

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I don’t really get the lapped car thing either. The only reason Verstappen was behind them was because he pitted. He therefore had unlapped them by doing so. Why should he have them moved out of his way other than by blue flags?

Even red flagging the race and allowing both cars a free tyre change would have been unfair as it would have wiped out the 11 second advantage Hamilton had built up in the previous 50+ laps of actual racing.

Could they have not gone with a virtual safety car so that speeds are slowed but the gaps maintained?

That however is something that happens all the time in F1, and other motor racing. It’s how it’s been ever since I remember - not that it makes it right, but it happens across the entire field, not just so that the top 2 are “back racing”. After a red flag, the race has to restart somehow, and bunching them seems most appropriate/least complex - I assume that’s why free tyre changes are allowed, so that the lead driver also has a fighting chance. It also means you get more racing, which is what we want to see I guess.

The VSC would probably have not been deemed to be safe enough in terms of giving marshals enough time to get on track and move the wrecked car.

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Apart from Peter Bonnington of course:

" we would have lost track position to him. This field has to bunch, and they will have to send lapped cars through … so it may not restart”

Predicting that they will send the lapped cars through and that the race may not restart (also meaning that it may).

He’s speaking of one of the two spelled out scenarios that sees losing track position guaranteeing him coming second. I don’t get your point.

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As expected, Mercedes have decided not to chase this further. The FIA will be conducting a detailed analysis of events - I hope it results in clarity and consistency. Every race should follow the same procedures, regardless of whether it’s the 1st or last (and season defining) race of the season. It’s just another opportunity for 25 points for the lead driver.

Exactly this. Embarrassing for Formula One that that hasn’t been the case.

Nothing can be gained out of this. Asking FIA to ajudicate proceedings when one of their own made a cock up. No organization is gonna not protect one of their own.

Masi crumbles too easily to redbull and their entitlement though.

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I suggested this a few days ago, and it does seem as though Hamilton is considering his options.

Motivation is a key factor, and only Lewis Hamilton will know where he is on that. Will what happened fire him up to come back next season and win so unequivocally that it cannot be taken away? That’s what I hope he does. But on the other hand, the wind might be so taken out of his sails that he will decide he has had enough.

He has been doing this for many years. He is rich beyond his dreams. He will go down as one of the best there’s ever been. It’s easy for me to sit here typing away and saying he should continue, especially to get that 8th title. But even though there’s money, travel and glamour, I’m sure it comes with a lot of sacrifice to do what he does. Maybe he will decide it’s time to bow out. I hope not.

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“If there is any breach, there is no forgiveness in this,” Ben Sulayem said.

Asked to clarify whether he was saying Hamilton would be penalised for not attending the gala, he said: “Forgiveness is always there. But rules are rules.”

Hahaha.

Apparently he hasn’t been paying attention. Rules mean fuck all, unless he’s prepared to throw out the result of the last race as well?

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Just out of interest. In F1, do most of you follow a driver or a constructor?

Always keen to get peoples views.

A constructor for me. Basically support mclaren.

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It’s a bit of both for me. There’s always been a British driver to support but also British racing teams. I basically follow Williams and McLaren, and also support the British drivers on the grid, providing they’re not cocks.

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I first supported Rubens Barrichello because of his magnificent name, then he moved to Ferrari and I supported the team.

Then I fell out with it for a while but got back into it when Haas team entered.

I don’t really see it as a sport that supporting your nations drivers applies, particularly when they are so twatish. But if it’s someone like Button, then you end rooting for them a bit.

As there’s usually only two drivers that end up end competing, I will usually end up rooting for whichever one isn’t Hamilton.

Hamilton and … Hamilton just love the best like Sebastien Loeb.
There’s been other drivers but Hamilton outstrips the lot imo.

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Hamilton. Before that used to love Ayrton Senna and Colin McRae and Dale Earnhardt (RIP fellas)

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Jenson Button was the only driver I’ve ever really actively supported and that’s more down to personal connections than him being British or driving for a specific team.

Before his emergence and since his retirement I’ve very much been a neutral, I’m not really arsed what driver or team wins. Like anybody I enjoy a bit of an underdog or feel good story, so I’ll get behind the likes of Perez, Ocon and Gasly as they were going for their first wins in recent years. I was gutted for Lando when he couldn’t get over the line earlier in the season, comes across as such a nice guy.

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Is Lewis the Pep Guardiola of F1?

:yum:

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