No way will the club pay 18M for him in the summer. Not even a chance. Quote me on it.
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Letās not forget heās only 20 however that poses a lot of questions to Kloppās judgement at the moment.
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I donāt agree about Kloppās judgement but it certainly points to a huge mistake in the summer in not recruiting a better centre half. Donāt buy Thiago, but a centre back.
Kabak is a panic signing in the hope we can get something out of him for a cheap price. Heās not ready for this level and itās blatantly obvious.
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Yup. Three, games, picks up a yellow (of course not really should be a yellow, but thatās another story) and then is afraid to challenge for the ball. Just keeps backing off.
Needs to improve his short passing and receiving. In Everton game, Thiago slightly underhits a square pass to him in the first half. An Everton player is in the vicinity and ready to pounce on it, and if he did then would have a direct run to goal.
What does Kabak do while receiving the under-hit square pass?
He just amazingly waits for the ball to reach him rather than taking two steps towards the slow ball. Lucky for him, the ball just about reached him. But thatās just a school boy type of error.
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Heās young and arrived at a dumpster fire situation at the back. If he still looks crap next year and canāt play Iād get writing him off, but its a steep laerning curve from relegation threatened Shalke to Liverpool, even without the lack of VVD, Gomez, Matip, Fab, or now Hendo as a CB partner.
He hasnāt had the best start to his career but we were playing shit before he turned up and itāll take time for him to adapt. He played well in the Liepzig game and has potential. Tbh this probably the best half season for him to have to bed in. The expectations of a CB atm are basically donāt get injured. Heāll get better as the season progresses and hopefully he comes good
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Heās been written off already poor chap.
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He wonāt be here next year at this rate.
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Imagine how many careers would have been ended before they began if they played in the modern era of social media and instant judgement
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The thing is when you come as a loan player, the expectation is to have an immediate impact. Next year is not an option.
This is a player who should be coming in, saying I can take Matips place in the squad. Its an opportunity to prove myself. Justify Liverpool converting my loan to 18M fee.
When the performances are closer to Phillips/Williams (even below them) thatās disappointing.
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The lack of judgement is the pecking order where he gets to be fielded infront of Nat dispite the fact he isnāt as good defensively and hasnāt had time to bed in. It is atrocious management!
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id normally agree wioth your point in generalā¦but it doesnt hold water hereā¦for reasons stated elsewhereā¦
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Klopp sees them training every day so he must see something different.
A bit like Origi and Minamino. 
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Got sympathy for the guy but realistically he shouldnāt be here.
If we had been backed from the start to bring in a CB in January someone else would be here. Heās an emergency choice.
Because it was left till the end of the window there was no time for Caleta-Car or Camachos clubs to bring in replacements. There were also rumours about a complicated Origi plus money move for Botman too that there just wasnāt time in one day to sort out.
Moves like that take longer than the recruitment team were given and they ended up pulling something off. To get a player on a loan with an option (no obligation) to buy was pure brilliance.
But letās face it we never should have been in such a situation in the first place.
As a club we took a risk on CB because we had cover and an ever present in VvD and as a club we always have to keep an eye on our spending pushing problems to future years because we can never fix everything in one go. Not many top clubs would end up in that situation but OK.
But when 2 of our only 3 established CBs got injured (leaving the most injury prone) we should have viewed it as an emergency from that moment.
Marseille would have sold Caleta-Car, it wasnāt the deal that was the problem it was like of time to get a replacement. It looks like Lille were possibly open on Botman too. We shouldnāt have had to wait for Matip and Fabinho to get injured as well before moving we should have had our top target in within the first week of the window settling with those two, getting up to speed.
Once those two got injured it should have been ANOTHER established CB brought in. Maybe our second option who we would have already done the groundwork on. Like when we signed Tsimikas to back up Robertson but knew what it would have taken to sign Lewis. If Robertson had picked up a season ending injury we could have then completed the Lewis deal too.
Now we have Kabak, a 20 year old with a lot of experience but was out of form in a struggling side that play nothing like us. We were also so unsure of him as a recruit we loaned him instead of buying him and fought to turn an obligation into an option. Heās come in and we canāt allow him time to settle or easier games to introduce him like we had throughout Jan. Heās come in for a stinking run of important games that any CB might struggle in. We are bang out of form and none of his CB partners played that position at this level before this season.
Everything considered I think heās done as well as could realistically be hoped for, its not his fault we needed a VvD style impact. Or two.
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Klopp may be looking at the guy most suited to playing against Bayern Munich or Man Cheater for there is a real chance we will be meeting them somewhere down the line. Maybe Phillips or Jones have already been assessed against what these teams will be bringing to the party, and have failed to pass the audition. Persisting with Kabak and smoothing out his raw edges enough before further CL meetings might be our only realistic chance of progressing in the competition.
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I think your right to an extent. He was an emergency option.
Given it was a short term need, we likely would have been better with a pro coming to the end of his career. A 30+ year old. Its unfair for a 20 year old to be brought in under the circumstances he has been. Thats a mistake of recruitment.
The odds are stacked against him being a success. However this is a golden once in a life time opportunity. Irrespective of this being the social media age, and he needs to be grasping it. Not to put too fine a point on it. These next 3 months could define his career. He needs to improve and improve quickly.
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Thereās not many training sessions due to our schedule. Thatās just such a crap pov! grow some!
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Still not convinced that heās good enough to play for us, or should even have been brought in. Three full games now. Phillips was far better than him when he came in today.
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Well there is a reason you and I are behind a screen and Klopp is managing one of the biggest clubs in the world.
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Oh stop it itās so pathetic.
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Hard at the moment as he had three different partners already.
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