A great game for the neutrals to watch. An abysmal display by our back five though. Watched Brentford a couple of times this season and have been impressed and I think they will give a few teams a shock. As poor as our defence was we should have wrapped it up with the chances we should have scored second half. For me Curtis had been our best player in the first hour so couldn’t understand the substitution by Jurgen. Got to tighten up at the back for next week against City.
I watched the entire game on mute as I was watching on Sky Sports. What was the crowd like?
It has been mentioned how we failed to control the tempo, but I would argue that with crowds back, that’s a difficult thing to do in away games (except Emptyhad) when the home team has the energy from the crowd.
Disappointed to only take the point, but I’ll also take it given how Brentford played. Still pushes us ahead of the pack.
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Yes, don’ t understand JK’s explanation there. The midfielders help cover the flanks and that’s where the two second half goals came from. Not from hoofs down the centre of the pitch. Bring Milner on to help Robbo out on the left and Hendo can carry on helping Trent on the right. We gave them an obvious avenue of attack when we could have closed the game down.
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Sounds like putting all your eggs in one basket, fine if you stopp the cross but we didn’t.
I was concentrating on the defense and their job is to defend 1st post center and back post which when they get dragged out wide so easily we don’t do, if Fabs doesn’t fill that space created then Matip and/orVDD should not be getting dragged out wide imo. If they do go out wide then they have to make sure the cross doesn’t come in and they just weren’t aggressive enough to do that.
On another note often when you leave the player in possession with space he uses that space, in other words he hangs onto the ball, looking to get into a better position to play the cross, that is time on your side.
For the Trent goal as an example Fabs was in no mans land Matip was 1st post we had noone central and Trent vs 4 on the far post. If Fabs was 1st post Matip centrale when the ball was floated in Fabs could have gone far post Matip come across as well. Trent fought for it and if I remeber correctly the ball bounced around. We could have had Trent Fabs and Ali in on the second ball with Matip arriving. As it was we only had Trent and Ali with Matip arriving. The odds were well and truely stacked against us. Btw I’ve noticed the last 2 matches Matip appears to freeze once he feels beaten, I feel it’s time to give Gomez more time if possible.
Sure our midfield have to wake up more to have covered their midfield runners however on all 3 of their goels I thought we would have done better if Fabs had just dropped back to fill the gaping hole left by our CBs going out wide. For me that’s part of the DM role.
To go even further often the problem starts with how we lose possession, we played some real risky balls at a very low tempo which they cut out easily. ‘yesterday’ we lacked patience I actually said in the prematch we just need to keep the ball yet we kept pushing it with silly crosses from deep and soft verticle balls up to Salah.
Just a lack of concentration all round and a poor day out, it wasn’t a bad day out we scored 3 (should have been 4) and we deserved those. Just we let them back in each time (yes I know they took the lead so on 1 occassion they let us back in 
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Yea Robbo did this, he ran forward 10 yards, whazzed the ball forward to no-one, they collected it, passed it over his head and their winger was in behind… bad enough losing possession but to do it and be out of position is just poor play.
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One positive out of all this is it happened early in the season and not in one of the games that would have cost us more. Expect Klopp to address the defensive aspect soon, as that was the key to our winning the title couple of seasons back.
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Two points is two points. Doesn’t matter where you drop them.
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Except I’ve been going on about the same aspects since Klopp came in on the defense, what makes it ‘bad’ at the moment is that VVD, Matip (last 2 games) and Robbo are not 100% or in form.
As previously said what got us yesterday was how we lost the ball more than anything and I have seen more of that this season so I think it’s a coaching cock up that they should be able to remedy easily. The example I’ll give is Robbo and Trent firing in crosses from deep, they used to double Mané and Salah a lot more and get into better crossing positions. … and to bring up an old conversation these crosses from deep are even less affective than shooting from distance if we just look at yesterdays game, Jones shot being the proof. 
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I hope that he addresses who takes the free kick in front of the goal too. TAA taken them has become ridiculous.
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Our defense collapsed yesterday but our forwards could of put the game away with some clear chances we had 2nd half. Going 3-2 up Milner should of came in and help the defence.
I think we underestimated them.
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Yes, looked like we hadn’t done our homework and they had, that could just be due to the calendar, we hardly have time to train and were against a pretty much unknown enterty.
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That’s my thought it might wake us up a bit and it hasn’t meant we fall behind yet, we will need to make next week count.
Our concentration levels aren’t where they should be, rather had this game away in mid Feb to be honest.
To me it was like the Watford game and it’s different from the others this season. Milan was concentration but they were contained bar that period.
Doesn’t concern me as long as we bounce back, was going take a while for these lads to get their mojo back.
It’s about grinding out results we will be there or there about’s no one in the league currently has shown me invincibility, we are going get surprises along with the expected every weekend.
Everyone banging on about City beating Chelsea but just a week before they couldn’t create a chance against Soton at home which I would assume in the long run isn’t worse than a draw away to Brentford.
Sorry for the long winded post @Colossal_centre_back it isn’t directed at you.
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Disappointing result. Even though early in season. We need to build a big lead over the rest when we can.
When we won the league we built an insurmountable lead. Which allowed for any injury situations and players losing form especially in the latter half of season.
2pts lost. Hopefully we take max points from City
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Having slept on it I have mixed feelings still.
First off, well played Brentford. Much smaller club than us, but up for it, playing to their maximum, with fans, manager, players all pulling in the same direction. I didn’t like drawing with them, but they are a lovely addition to the Prem and I wish them well.
On our end still a bit gutted we didn’t win, and I’m hoping this is this seasons version of the 7-2 against Aston Villa. Too panicky. Outmuscled too. Brentford looked like scoring almost every time they came at us.
Before the game I said I could make a case for any of the three others partnering Van Dijk. A few said Matip is the best defender we have after Van Dijk. Im not sure I agree with that, but he has been doing well, and after taking the time to get him right, physically, he has started well this season.
Yesterday both Matip and Van Dijk were lacking, both losing headers, both getting to the ball second, both looking a big jittery and dropping off, instead of exuding calm and a front foot presence we are accustomed to.
I have a slight feeling that Konate would not have been bullied. He is fast as you like and strong as you like, and good in the air too. What he lacks in relation to Matip is the calm, classy authority… which hopefully will come with a bit more experience. But with that said, Matip didn’t bring that to the game yesterday either, and neither did Virg to be fair.
What’s done is done. We drew a game but remain top of the league. Still, watching it unfold made me wonder about what Konate might have done.
Onwards an upwards. And well played Brentford.
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I actually thought Mane had a good second half yesterday after a poor first. He was the best of the front 3. Other than their goals, Salah and Jota were hopeless. Salah’s chip finish was absolutely ridiculous and hopefully he got an earful for that.
Mane looked the most dangerous of the lot. Firmino did very little of note either.
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Our set pieces yesterday were also dire. Hit the first man on more than one occasion, over hit it many times too. Dreadful all day.
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wonder how many fans would support a part exchange deal involving Salah or Mane for Haaland
Also our corners were very poor we had 11.
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If only we had the best corner taker in the history of football on the bench.
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