I think you need to learn how stopage time works. It only increases if another stopage occurs.
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Obviously not when Oliver refs us, I counted 3 fouls against us with no contact, 2 were against Macca, the one which resulted in their 1st goal, and the 3rd was against Szob, when their player kicked the floor
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I do understand the point you are making and usually I’d be sympathetic to it. The issue is it doesn’t work when applied to today’s game.
There were zero contentious decisions that went against Everton, not a single one. Liverpool meanwhile had a lot of very dubious fouls called against them, including 5 dives (which I don’t entirely blame the referee because they can be hard to see but at some point he should have caught one) as well as several instances of players being kicked or manhandled and not having a foul awarded.
Would Evertonians have felt aggrevied if they lost, sure some of them would but that is just the emotional reaction you’re accusing us of having.
The example you’ve landed on with the 2nd goal doesn’t work because its a false equivalence. There is a push on Konate, that push stops him from clearing the ball and Everton score from it. The incorrect decision, the injustice, is to not give a free kick for the foul on Konate. If he does give the foul it is not an injustice against Everton because Everton did foul Konate. They would feel upset by it but that is the emotion taking over.
Liverpool didn’t play well but you’re allowed to win while playing poorly. We should have won despite the poor performance but a bad refereeing decision and a great volley have robbed us in the 98th minute.
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I don’t blame Ibou, for their 1st goal I blame the high line, as the pass and run was perfectly timed, the issue is that with it being a high line, our keeper cannot get out to close down the pass or subsequent shot.
To me the height of the line made everything easier for the pass and run.
There was also the one against Bradley where Doucoure threw himself down into Bradley before he was touched, and led to Conor having to be subbed.
I counted one more in the moment but I’ve forgotten now. I think it was Lindstrom.
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I have seen worse refereeing. And I have seen teams deal with it better.
We didn’t win and we didn’t play well just because of Oliver. We created a lot of our own problems. It wasn’t Oliver’s fault that we couldn’t defend an inexistent foul in the middle of the pitch. Or that the back four spend the entire game finding Everton players with their clearances. We knew how they’d play and we knew what Oliver would do and yet we never looked like we had a convincing answer.
Regardless of what Oliver did, we need to acknowledge that we didn’t do well things that were completely in our control. Because the reality is that even with Oliver’s disgusting pandering to Everton, we were a few seconds away from pulling off a fantastic win.
I’m extremely disappointed with how we managed the game. Slot had asked for cool heads, well there was little evidence of it during and after the game with him being the worst offender. Stupid red cards to him, his assistant and Jones.
And for the record, when it comes to Oliver, the club must make abundantly clear that he cannot be allowed anywhere near a Liverpool game again.
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Is it just one match ban for Curtis and Arne?
Oliver affected the result.
We were winning when Salah was brought down, Konate was fouled and enough time was added for Everton to score.
It doesn’t matter how poor we were, we dropped points because of Oliver. And his not giving the foul on Konate compounded by Kavanagh.
It was said before the match that he would cost us.
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I’ve seen worse refereeing incidents. But I am really struggling to think of a game where a referee created such an imbalance in how he refereed the two sides, consistently through the whole contest.
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Because the reality is that even with Oliver’s disgusting pandering to Everton, we were a few seconds away from pulling off a fantastic win.[/quote]
The reality is that there are two, possible three, reasons why that goal shouldn’t have stood. The fact that the whistle should have blown a minute earlier than it did, the push on Konste as he is in the air to head the ball, and the lines drawn for the offside (as highlighted in the tweet above - but haven’t gone into to that, because the lines looking very dodgy, but I don’t know if they are the VAR ones, or ones the X account has drawn on)
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We know Oliver does not like being sent to the screen. There was no way Lavanagh was going to do that.
We need independent VAR.
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I’m not going to lie I didn’t watch the match. I know Oliver is a cheat and nothing I have heard or read about his performance tonight surprises me in the slightest.
My lad is as honest as they come and doesn’t really get involved where refereeing integrity is called into question. In fact I often get the impression he thinks I’m being a cry-arse when I go off on one about it.
I picked him up from outside the supporters club tonight where he’d gone to watch the match. The first thing he said to me was Oliver’s refereeing tonight was the most corrupt thing he’s seen since Hooper and England fixed the result at Spurs last season.
So the question I have for you is where did you see worse refereeing than what you saw tonight?
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I agree, he definitely helped them.
What I am saying is that we shouldn’t be sweeping our own self-inflicted problems under the rag because of his biased officiating.
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I’m ok with the tolerance level, that has been the rule all season and I don’t really care about offsides when they are that close. You’d have to also go and make sure the frame that the VAR is being taken from is the exact right one etc. Makes sense to me to have some small level of tolerance.
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Likewise you can’t not say the way it was reffed didn’t effect our game plan.
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We’re not though.
But the fact remains that Oliver and Kavanagh cost us two points.
As poor as we might have been.
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But despite our own poor performance we were 2-1 up and should have won but for a poor decision to not disallow the 2nd goal. Poor performances happen but we apparently brought in VAR to stop bad mistakes like this and today they just allowed it.
Liverpool could have put in the shittest performance of all time today and they’d still have been robbed. The 2nd goal should not stand.
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Absolutely none I was speaking to my son before the game started, we win the game comfortably with a European ref, I told him the person who will prevent that happening will be oliver. 29 fouls whistled 3/4 of them against us, our players were terrified of breathing on them hence why people are saying such and such didn’t do this or that but because they were all fearful of a red card it diminished their ability to be aggressive on the tackle but Everton players were never under such pressure and to see 3 players surrounding the ref to give a second yellow was disgraceful.
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Anyone from the Balkans will probably have seen a worse performance.
In England though? It’s definitely one of the worst I can recall.
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I thought it was more that he allowed the occasion/crowd to influence him. They were going nuts when our players didn’t even touch theirs. Fair enough from their fans’ perspective but Oliver was a total coward and just caved anytime they made some noise
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Doesn’t make sense to me. All your doing is giving cheats more of an opportunity to cheat.