Post match: Fulham v Liverpool (EPL 4/1/26 3.00pm)

But you responded to my post

Slot of last season would have acknowledged we defended poorly on their two goals, conceded that against premier league players you expect that to be punished, and meaning that we needed to score 2 just to scrape a point.

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We only had 1.35 XG, so not that many good chances

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Liverpool may be getting a couple of “big moments,” but the data says the process isn’t actually producing sustained attacking threat. In the last two matches, a 0-0 draw with Leeds, followed by a 2-2 draw at Fulham where Liverpool had only 2 shots on target and around 3 big chances despite dominating possession, and similarly muted outputs before that. Liverpool’s control hasn’t translated into consistent danger in the final third. They aren’t overwhelming opponents with pressure that builds and compounds; they’re scraping isolated moments and relying on luck to stay unbeaten…
And while you’re at it, please explain to me what exactly is the process?

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Technically, Reed should have passed to the open man in the box but he;s taken a lash and got lucky. Still think we should have got out to challenge him though. It’s no accident that we keep conceding from set pieces and second phases. There’s something wrongh with our defensive set ups.

Which is the point that we’re not creating enough.

Which is also different from saying that we’re not creating anything…

You’re a dead ender. You’re not wired to see it.

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Honestly I don’t think that’s what I’m doing. Is there more focus on this instance because of the goal, yes sure, but the issue isn’t that he scored it’s a recurring problem all season of poor defensive organization and lack of players being willing to do the dirty work.

Every game I see players getting visibly angry at each other, looking around in confusion, waving arms at each other because no one seems to understand where they are supposed to be.

In this instance Reed could shoot, sure its low % but you can reduce that % ten fold by just having someone a little bit closer. You don’t need three lads who play midfield scratching their arse in the penalty area. But if Reed doesn’t shoot he also has a simple pass down the left channel where a player is inexibicably unmarked. A clip to the backpost where we are 1v1 too.

It’s just poor all around and if it was a one off I’d obviously accept it and move on but it’s a repeat problem. Players need to be doing far better and so does coaching.

I haven’t even started on how bad the first goal was yet :scream:

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:rofl: :joy: good talk @sgs

Except we’ve the third highest average xG in the league across the season at 1.69, the same as Man City pretty much.

So yeah, that’s below our average for the season but not particularly low for an individual game.

Even big chances we’re only significantly behind City and Arsenal.

We’re clearly not playing well but if you want to look at stats like xG then it doesn’t really tell you the story you think it might.

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Were not even meaningfully underperforming that in actual goals (30 vs 32 before today)

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Stats can cloud things. We are slow, no real identity, repeated errors and lack of energy.

Dress it up how you like but we are underperforming. As we do after winning the title.

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We had an xg last season of 85, so after 20 games we are well down compared to last season, 10+ down

Is that down to teams being defensive or our lack of chance creation?

XGA against not much difference, slightly better last season.

Evidently we are dropping points due to issues in defense.

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I kinda disagree with this on a roundabout kind of way. The PL isnt great but at the same time its a pig to win it. Yeah freak results galore, but the quality is poo.

We are in a serious fight for a CL place.

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Well
Nothing has changed over the last few weeks.

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Across the board we’re nowhere near our level. But this goal here’s not an appropriate example of our poor defensive performance.

True but they can also tell you things that results might not.

I’m not saying we’re good. I’m not saying we’re close to what we should be and the football definitely isn’t exciting. But we do know the analytics bods will be looking at the data to determine whether it points to a terminal issue for Slot or whether they think we’re not getting our share of fine margins. That’s what the big wigs will be concerned by but it’ll be determined by more than just xG.

One thing the 2hf showed me is that the oft repeated issue of our slow possession game is really not the main problem.

The problem is the rotation around the ball and the speed of such rotation.

And especially finding the right moments to up the tempo without leftovers, which then leads to counterattacks.

We’re not very good at it but you can see its getting better albeit too slowly..

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