Its the 5 criteria in the IFAB guidelines. They are in my snarky post with the red X’s.
The problem is every time they move to take personal interpretation out of the decision making the outcomes it forces on refs are too often really unsatisfactory leading to cries about the refs needing to be able to use more common sense. The need for refs to use both common sense and be consistent across the group is the tension that will never be resolved.
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I would be confident Liverpool FC will understand language in the professional context.
I am sure this understanding is conveyed in their letter concerning the decisions last Saturday.
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Another way of looking at, and interpreting, ‘taking control’ can be viewed thus.
By being in, and covering the space, the defender took full control of the ball… and responsibility of what happens to it when he flicked it with his knee… by taking it away from the goalkeeper coming to collect it…!
Got a feeling it is going to be a very long summer without football :0)
What a surprise
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Didn’t expect anything else .
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I don’t think this does the club any favours, especially on the back of Klopp getting a ban for his interaction with the officials recently.
It’s tough to be on the wrong side of both calls but neither were stonewall mistakes.
Obviously the club don’t agree Rab.
They chose to question the decisions, which means that they believe both decisions were incorrect.
I didn’t expect an apology or climbdown by the authorities, but I expect that markers are being put down for next season.
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Well obviously the club disagree. I just don’t see what they were hoping to achieve?
It’s the end of the season, it’ll make no difference to anything and just comes across as sour grapes.
If Jota had been shown red for his high boot versus spurs then fair enough, maybe we’d have a point on the Mings challenge. But he didn’t, so why we complaining about this.
Find it all very disappointing behaviour from the club.
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This reminds me of when I was younger and I would end up arguing about decisions with my utd mate, I wonder have we a couple of mancs on here always trying to take away goals and decisions from us. I’m talking about before sky invented football.
Again, that is not at all how IFAB use Deliberate in the handball rule
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It’s not our job to complain about why Jota should have recieved a red card. It is however, our job to complain about why Mings should have.
My own personal view is that (not taking into acount the laws of the game), Ming’s challenge was far more dangerous than Jota’s. I think Jota’s was worth a yellow, high foot, no intent, not forceful, not from a distance. However, no complaints if he’d been shown a red.
Ming’s challenge is a defo red. Everything is there for me. Intent, reckless, dangerous, a lot of force, comes from a distance, high foot, follow through. A bit like the challenge on Xabi Allnso in the World Cup final.
Just my personal take on how those two challenges should be seen and reffed
By the way, not seen any of the hoo haa in the media about Ming’s challenge as there was for Jota’s.
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Didn’t say it was. But having been the beneficiary of a subjective call there and the way that game ended it does seem a bit odd to then be so upset at a similar, albeit clearly not identical challenge.
Fact is there are criteria on which these things are gauged and you can make a case either way on both if you were completely impartial.
The fact you’ve said “not taking into account the laws of the game” somewhat negates everything that follows because the laws of the game dictate what the outcome should be. For the record, I’d have no real issue with either incident being a red or a yellow as long as both outcomes were the same.
that call on Mings was just as much a red card as this was:
and yet this was not red
I swear about 5-6 years ago there was an open field red card for a high boot, the attacker had his back turned to watch the ball come in and didn’t see the defender…caught him with high boot and took a red card. I thought it was Chicharito for United in a Champs League game but I can’t find it… anyone?
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Forgive me, I was responding to this bit.
Obviously, I misunderstood your meaning.
Of course it does, I clarified that when I said it’s how I think those incidents should be reffed. But, the only similarity in my opinion is the high boot.
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Nani?
Going on what is being said on various LFC forums, the stance the club is taking in recent weeks and the way Mr Jurgen Klopp has been talking/ behaving I think it’s fair to say the ‘tinfoil hat brigade’ is now in the fucking majority, and growing day by day.
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And one day will have the opportunity to say “I told you so”…
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Probably more of a reflection on the season as a whole.
The last 9 games have been fine for me to be honest (starts at Arsenal around 30 mins in).
Our run has been better than it was in 2020-21 and it’s had to be as we were coming from further back. We potentially will finish on 69pts that’s good enough for 3rd that season, it will only get 5th this.
Regardless it’s a good run and something to build on.
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yep that’s the one. how’s it any different
if you go into another player’s body with studs showing, above the knee…it shouldn’t even need to be reviewed. instant red card.