If he indeed waved on for no foul and we will never know what he actually would have decided its nulled by the fact Nunez scored. Advantage and no foul can appear similar to give him the benefit of the doubt be very similar and if he was trying to screw us he would have blown it back as Nunez hit it.
Isn’t it a bit like Garcia’s goal against Chelsea, if it hadn’t have counted he was fouled anyhow.
He signaled that it wasn’t a foul, not play on IIRC. Whatever it was, it’s thankfully irrelevant now since we won and he won’t referee another Liverpool game in his life (not holding my breath on that last one).
With Gacia, I always assumed that the ref thought it was an easier option to award the goal rather than award a penalty and send off Cech.
On Saturday, it is interesting what VAR would have done if Nunez hadn’t scored. If Coote was claiming that he had seen it, then there is probably nothing that they could do.
Depends really as it was potentially a red card but if Nunez misses you wonder regardless.
I would like to hope that you could bring it back, award the free kick etc.
but hoping for the obvious from PL referees is far too stressful.
I just checked the FA website and they can call the referee to the monitor if they believe that a red card offence has been missed (or that the referees decision was clearly wrong). The final decision still remains with the on field ref.
Once Nunez scored there was no longer the possibility of a red card.
The issue is more that he didn’t even give a yellow card. I’m just saying that had Nunez been off target , Liverpool wouldn’t even get the goal and the VAR buddy of his will not overrule the decision anyway. So no red card too
Interesting discussion with my 9 year old lad who plays in goal for his team.
“Dad, you know how you said that the Villa player couldn’t be sent off because Nunez scored? How it wasn’t a denial of a goal scoring opportunity because Darwin scored and that meant a goal hadn’t been denied?
So I’m a goalkeeper, and I see my defender foul an attacker when he is through on goal, should I let the ball go in and save him getting a red card? Should I even kick the ball in my own goal, so we keep our player on”
I got round this by saying players in his league aren’t going to get sent off, so don’t worry about it.
But thoughts on this?
So from the little I understand from seeing some rules posted here and there, I’d say that if he kicks the ball in his own goal, that would be akin to the situation we just faced if it was refereed properly. They concede the goal, and his defender gets a yellow. Not the best idea.
If the ball is going in and he doesn’t save it, then I genuinely don’t know. Does it count as a denied goalscoring opportunity? I presume if the ball is allowed to go in (assuming the referee isn’t Coote) then advantage would have been played in which case conceding the goal saves the defender.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A REFEREE. I HAVE NOT READ THE FULL LAWS OF THE GAME.
The kid is as much of a smartarse as his dad.
Don’t worry, neither have half the refs.
Prickford never got in trouble over the VVD assault, because the game was called back for an earlier infringement/off-side… Against Villa, would the goalkeeper/villa have been better off, just to clatter Nunez to stop the ball going over the line for a goal… knowing the game would be called back to the earlier infringement…!
Whatever the right thing to do was, it remains that there will be coaches of some teams now, prepping their defence to follow a fixed set of instructions that benefit their team
Well I’d like to see them try that if they had no intention of going for the ball, because then Martinez would get sent off, we would get a penalty, and in theory Bailey would get a yellow card anyway. That would be United levels of hilarity.
It wasn’t a penalty because of the offside. He should still have been sent off for the foul. Otherwise, you could just wait until there is a whistle for some other infringement and twat the opposing player in the face.
Yes, but it would just be stupid if the same VAR who didn’t think it was possible made that same mistake in another game. Thankfully he wasn’t the referee for the Villa game though.
Right , I get a hard on from watching that whatshername play padme.
He definitely waved it away as no foul. The signal for advantage is supposed to be to put two arms outstretched, but in this case he made a clear arms crossing motion to say no foul. There is angle from behind our goal that gives a pretty clear view of it. If Nunez had missed VAR would have been able to come back to review the challenge on Mo as DOGSO applies to the player not the team (sometimes). Under those circumstances they would have definitely taken a look at it, but given Coote’s view and the rarity of VAR overturning a ref’s judgement on an incident (as opposed to correcting a factual issue) it is highly unlikely it would have recommended a red.
You can absolutely get sent off for off-the-ball incidents. Also subs and coaches/managers can get sent off and they are t even involved on the field of play.
I heard/read that one of the ex refs, maybe Gallagher say that if he had been reffing in that situation, he would have blown straight away for the foul, with it being a red card offense, and subsequently sent Bailey off, because if Nunez had missed it would caused all kinds of issues in regards to DOGSO.
You would imagine referees are all taught the same process therefore Coote didn’t deem it was a foul.
Refs are encouraged to only play advantage in a DOGSO if the goal is near certain. As in the ball drops to a different forward with an open goal, not to a forward who has to beat a keeper. So yeah, this was not even a case where advantage would have been appropriate, based on how refs are told to approach these situations, which gives further evidence he didnt think it justified a red card.