Post match: Liverpool v Atalanta (EL 11/4/24 8pm)

It’s a very interesting discussion, and I agree with the argument that if this modest price rise is pushing someone over the edge they should think about whether or not going to matches is ultimately affordable for them.

I guess people who have been hanging on as a match-going fan for years and years, but who really are struggling…it would be incredibly hard to let that go.

At the end of the day, I’m just sad that football at this level, at its core, revolves entirely around money (nothing new there of course), and I do wonder how many SOS-types would deal with us being a perennial mid-table team.

Also, the point someone made about the locals who work at Anfield and the impact on them…hear hear.

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I wonder how many TAN members would deal with that situation. I suspect a lot of them would leave.

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Nothing can be as bad as the Hodgson 6 months!

Just read this in the Echo.

The influential Spion Kop 1906 group announced that they would be withdrawing their usual pre-match decoration of the Kop after a consultation with other fan groups.

Who are these “other fan groups”? Is the Spion Kop group the same as SOS then? If the fans want a voice, surely they should have just one voice and not disparate groups.

If theres someone who cannot afford to go because of an 86p price rise then maybe they shouldnt be going as they need to lay out for more important things.

Good point on the people who work there who deserve a pay rise - sorry, no pay rise as 60,000 people dont want to pay £17 extra but will still buy takeaways, want the new Iphone, buy beer etc.

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You folks OK? I’m not :sob:. We will be OK, right :pleading_face:?

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The only way I’d re-evaluate my love for this club is if they were sold to oil states and related owners.

That would probably mean I’d stop following football.

I’ve survived the averageness pre Rafa , and I’ve survived Hodgson. I’ll be fine with the club in mid table.

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That would explain the SOS post on Twitter, congratulating the display of the Spion Kop 1906 banner.
That banner probably cost more than their season ticket increase.

I’m actually glad I took the decision to stop attending matches.
So many of our fans are so far up their own arses I can see why fans of other clubs hate them

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Btw - Spurs are no longer doing pensioner discounts - they are being charged the full amount.
Thats worth protesting over.

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People are reading too much into the protest, we were collectively shite and out-played and it had nothing to do with lack of atmosphere, I’ve been in far worse hundreds of times.

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Didnt go too well…

Spirit of Shankly on X: “A round of applause for the @SpionKop1906 banner in Anfield https://t.co/HPrXiXmazk” / X (twitter.com)

Yes. It was a bad loss but a bad loss in the Europa league where you could only point to 4 of our regulars that started, it was never going to be anywhere near a peak performance and we gift-wrapped 2 of their goals.

We’ve come back from far, far, far, far worst.

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Something I still can’t understand is why we played such a strong team in 2nd leg against Sparta. Then made 6 changes last night :man_shrugging:t2:

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Oddly enough, the last time that happened, we lost 2-0 at Anfield.

So maybe, we’ll only win 4-0 this time around.

Honestly, what have they done in the past 10 years? Critical in the G&H transition, but all I can recall in the past decade is objecting to every increase in match day costs.

As for not discussing it in the post-match thread, well, they chose the timing. The atmosphere seemed flat, not sure you can truly blame that on a fan group, at some point the team has to give the crowd something to engage with.

The big fear now is that this is two games in a row with poor performances, and this one was far worse than the exercise in frustration at Old Trafford. Revered though he may be, Klopp is a lame duck manager. A match like this one suggests players are already seeing the end of his time at the club and he is no longer able to reach them the way he has in the past.

With the new midfield creating a very different platform, all season this side has reminded me most of Klopp’s 16/17 team that was showing glimpses of what was to come. But it was also prone to dropping games that should have been readily winnable - and in particular hit that slide in January/February where we went from second at the end of 2016 by the end of February, having been knocked out of both cups in one week in January.

This is every bit as transitional a team as that one, and were Klopp not leaving I would see the outlines of his next great team forming. But we know that is not going to happen, which I fear gives this team a mental fragility we had forgotten about.

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I am at a loss with people comparing this loss to the Man U game, for me we played well against Man U but we couldn’t finish and they scored 2 bangers.

Whilst against Atlanta we were simply crap

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One of the worst defeats of Klopp’s era, this one will be remembered unfortunately.

Performance, atmosphere, the whole lot of it was below the level needed.

I hope we knew very well what Atalanta would do with their man to man approach, because we faced them in the past and we played also against similar man to man approaches against Brighton and United lately.

But we played so naively, like it was the first time we played against that type of collective defending. We always had an opponent on our backs or chasing us.

It’s not something common (although the mix of zonal and man is rising) and you don’t really have top, top teams doing it, but if you’re not on point with your performance, it can be very tricky to play against.

Sure, we punished such teams in the past, beating Bielsa’s Leeds, Gasperini’s Atalanta (but away), etc. Last night, we seemed unprepared for the fight and unable to adapt during the game.

What you have to do against such defending is movement off the ball. They succeeded in blocking us indiviually. It’s very hard to get your game going, it becomes too wild and too open.

Sure, we (and them) had some chances (Nunez’s miss was horrible, it’s not centimetres, it’s far from the target and simply the wrong way to chip it) and some of our conceded goals were poor, but last night the story was deeper than that.

I didn’t also like that we moved Mac away from LCM to RCM. For what exactly? To allow a totally out of rhythm Jones to play LCM? Against United we went back to Szobo RCM and Mac LCM. If Jones had to or we opted for him to start last night, play him at RCM. Pasalic played a really quality game directly against Mac, he ate him a few times in defensive 1v1 situations.

What could’ve helped also is, when we saw we hardly come out from deep zones, is to move Gakpo (one of the rare players who looked alive last night) centrally and put Nunez inside left, to seach for those spaces more facing the goal.

Gakpo still came deeper to try and create an overload to get us going, but you saw one of Atalanta’s CB’s following him all the way up to our first third of the pitch. And we were still unable to process nicely into at least the second third, let alone the final third.

Changes at HT were needed and expected, but then it was all not enough.

I was disappointed with the way it was like a little catastrophe happening in front of our eyes and both the football and the atmosphere was without a proper answer to it.

It all seemed like “we’re too good to be in this competition and to have issues against a bloody Atalanta”.

We hava a chance to turn it around, but right now I’m thinking Sunday. Next week, I don’t think we’ll have enough. But no doubt we’ll give our all to try and play better, score the first goal, win, equalize, try and overturn it.

Really sad, even somewhat disgraceful if this turns out to be Klopp’s final Anfield European game.

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The first half felt a lot more like that game, but in the second half it felt like we just completely fell apart.

Sorry Ifti, but watching that it looked like the end of the road this season.
My mate was saying that the returnees would make a difference, but I can’t see Trent and Jota lifting the whole team.
Very sad today. Really wanted this cup for Jürgen, but now it looks like he’ll leave empty handed.
It will take time to process.

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The very best teams have unexpected results.

I wanted this cup, but want the league much much more. As we all do.

If I am correct, this is a speed bump in the road, no more or no less. Win vs Palace, keep winning and we win the league.

I imagine Klopp and the players reflect today and understand just how poor they all were last night. Klopp included. And understand that nothing needs surgery, just small fixes to get us back to where we were.

We are fucking in the league title fight on merit. I am staying positive because last night was just that bump in the road.

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