It’s also hilarious how the tv highlights often show these blatantly offside situations as if they were valid parts of the game.
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yep.
there was a game last year where Liverpool were criticised for being a bit shaky at the back conceding oppurtunities (not chances or shots mind you)
‘if it wasnt offside, they would be in trouble there’
yes, genius, but you see, it WAS offside, and if it indeed wasnt offside it would mean we had a defender a bit deeper.
SMH
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Already happened hasn’t it? I think maybe the Wolves keeper last season. 
Personally I find writing to be a really good clarifying exercise for what I think I think, so I think even beyond the idea that the refs would have to have a learning curve in speaking about it, it could be a useful exercise in helping them do retrospectives on their key decisions. But my worry is we’re not emotionally mature or honest enough as a general fanbase to give them room to experience their learning curve. See the response to Clattenburg’s comments about Fergie’s general influence on decisions.
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I’m sure you’re using raising the flag as short hand for the offside being given, but it’s important to remember there is a meaningful difference. The existence of VAR doesn’t change that players are supposed to play tot he whistle and not stop just because the flag is raised.
A ref stopping the game for a flagged offside that VAR shows was actually onside is the right use case to use to illustrate the value of being conservative on raising the flag on tight ones. The issue there though is not players stopping when they shouldnt, but a player being prevented scoring a legal goal that VAR has no commensurate remedy for.
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I understand this, but would put it on its head and say we are in fact brutally honest. We say 100% what we believe, and it maybe annoys people and rattles cages. This is one of the times when honesty is truly evident?
The emotionally immaturity is an interesting thought. We are required in society to act in this mature and reasoned manner. Sport or music or art or whatever stokes our passions can allow us to escape the norm.
Last day of the season with Villa two up my head was a maelstrom of confusion. Full time I had an emotional response that was way short of the maturity expected of me. By me.
Our beliefs, our truths regarding those we idolise are honest feelings. When I argue a point regarding Liverpool, anywhere that discussion is I do it from the most honest position at that moment.
Was that Burnley away maybe? I think that was the game when they scored a couple of goals when quite a long way offside and it being held as a stick to beat us with - even though we won the game easily.
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People can, and very often do, speak honestly about positions they didn’t arrive at with emotional honesty. Motivated reasoning, selective reading, cognitive dissonance are all very relevant in how football fans engage.
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Referees would need to be given solid media training before they could come and speak in an interview by the way, or these journalists would tear them to shreds.
I heard yesterday that there was a proposal to release VAR discussion audio from matches. Thats sounds like a pretty good first step, as at that point the referee has had the same benefit that millions of viewers have (watching the incident from different angles at snail’s pace), and their discussions will have at least the effect of educating the people somewhat.
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Dick Masters has stated the Premier League want to it, but they are refusing to commit to doing it and stories today that they arent close to getting it over the line
cant remember to be honest.
i didnt think they actually put the ball in the net on the occassion im thinking of
Is the Community Shield a Cup competition because Jurgen did lose to Guardiola in 2019?
2019 doesnt count. because reasons.
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I’d rather then releasing audio of decisions than to have interviews after the match if I’m honest. I’d rather that ‘separation’ between the fans and the refs.
It will also help blow a hole in the conspiracy theory balloons on here.
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Thats the crux of the matter ‘media training’ which means don’t be honest prefer an honest fuck up than media training bullshit
Or give Sky/BT access to broadcast the mics live like they do in rugby (both league and union) so that everyone can hear the conversations live, and no risk of things being edited post game.
Sadly it won’t actually happen as it will prove that the majority of refs are clueless
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