Post match: Liverpool v Man Utd (EPL 19/4/22 8pm)

I understand that but…

What if it was racist or homophobic?
What if it was aimed at the Muslim community?
What if the authorities decided that chanting that sullies the memory of people who lost their lives in a tragedy was discrimination?
Then the club could ban people?

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What about the general principle of “you can’t ban people because you don’t like what they say”, does it generally hold true? Isn’t it more a case of you can’t ban people based on their belonging to a certain class of individuals rather than for their rhetoric?

That’s what I was asking in my reply. I wasn’t sure if we would be allowed.

The issue for me is “What is the crime?”

The hate speech encapsulated in racism and homophobia is clearer, but stuff about Hillsborough, horrible as it is, doesn’t break any law.

Edit: although I’m not a lawyer, so this is an unqualified opinion.

The world is a horrible enough place as it is, no need for people to spout missdirected hated at any time. Legal or not.

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:slight_smile: I am just proud to support such a great club and looking forward to a big finish to the season.
I do feel aggrieved at some of the injustices and bad decisions but there is nothing I can do about them so there is no point in me getting stressed about them.

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You’d better watch about low sodium levels I’ve just spent 10 days in hospital with seizures because of low sodium!

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I add salt to my salt.

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You mean you cry in your chips? :thinking:

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I have a lot of salt but the reason my sodium levels were low was because prior to that I was violently sick for 3 days running and washed out all the minerals in my body. You can’t win too much salt and the blood pressure goes up

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Yep; I’m perpetually treading that particular fine line.

Hope you’re fully over your seizures now, mate. :+1:

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I am ok now thankfully my wife was there but for 3 days I was unconscious I nearly bought it mate but thanks to the NHS I’m still here anyway enough of depressing everyone the results from LFC since have had more therapeutic effects than any tablets!

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glad to hear you’re on the mend. scary stuff

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Thanks mate I was as solid as anything but as soon as I went past 70 everything is starting to go!

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you don’t look your age :wink:

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You just get my standard Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Who judges what constitutes illegal speech? Me? You? Borris? Corbyn? It’s easy to say that we all agree that X shouldn’t be said in a football stadium but then what about Y and Z? Who’s the wanker in the black? For example. I bet the ref’s family find that to be highly offensive. Get my point? Careful when you start as you might not like where it stops.

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Only when we lose, so not often.

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Cheers, I’ve had my bloods taken again and this time it came back normal.
I normally take two bottles of water with me when I play football. I usually pop a vitamin C tablet in one of them. But I popped a tablet in both of them ltwo weeks ago as it was a warm sunny day. Reading up on the causes of hyponatremia and using the vitamen C tablets can cause it to drop. So it 's just water for me in the future. :+1::nerd_face:

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As to the offensive chanting. The fact that they sing songs that are offensive to most of the ground could it be construed as Disorderly Conduct?

One of the less serious offences that the Courts hear for Public Order offences is a charge under Section 5 of the Public Order Act. This is the offence of disorderly conduct. If you are accused of this, the Police will need to prove that:

  • You have used threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour;
  • Within the hearing or sight of somebody likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress.

Surely the songs they sing are “insulting” and cause “distress” to Liverpool fans.

There are usually police in amongst the away support. Perhaps multiple arrests in a game will get it into their thick skulls. :rage::nerd_face:

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I think there are levels, and deciding on those levels is an arbitratry process. The “feed the scousers” song, if applied to the travelling community in Ireland would be deemed as discriminatory. But its ok to denigrate the people of a city with such nonsense.
The referees, players who receive abuse probably expect a bit of it. Rooney being called a granny shagger, Atkinson being called a wanker is par for the course.
Doormen in clubs, firemen, nurses get verbal abuse regularly. The girl in the coffee shop who gets an order incorrect is prone to verbal abuse.
Doesn’t make it right, but it happens.

Singing songs about victims of a tragedy is beyond reprehensible, we all know that. Its discriminatory, hateful and in modern society the fact that it is tolerated is beyond belief.

I understand your point, but I dont think the examples of the refs matches up to be honest.

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