Post match: Liverpool v PSV (UCL 26/11/26 8pm)

Isak has 1 goal in 10 games, and that was in the league cup.

Why does he deserve to start ahead of Salah?

This is another narrative which is simply wrong in the time here he played 907 minutes and has 4 goals thats a goal every 226 minutes.

Yes but on current form Salah is one of the worst players in the league and an absolute liability both on offence and defence. Chiesa as bad as you think he may be is not that.

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Thought you were saying something in welsh (apologies to my Welsh reds)

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If we drop everyone that has been poor, out of form over the last few weeks, then we will have 3 or 4 players on the pitch on Sunday.

I am against starting Chiesa. He deserves a chance, but he looked unfit on Wednesday night. He was puffing after a few minutes.

I know there’s a call to bench Salah and Ibou, so there needs to be a cohesive plan to replace them in the team. And as such we don’t seem to have a plan.

I would start Ramsay at RB, Robbo LB with Gomez and Virgil.
Jones, Gravenberch and Szoboslai.
Then…
Salah, Isak or Ekitike and Rio up front.
If Hugo is fit then he starts.
Salah needs to play back to some level of acceptable form. He still has that in him.

Macca, Cody on the bench if required.

Confidence only exists in a vacuum, unrelated to competence, in people who need psychological help. We look fragile because we’re playing like shit and the players know it. We’re now months into the season and the plan A looks like no more coherent or buttoned up than it was when it was viewed as just teething issues that needed time to come together during the run of 5 wins to start the season. They players realize even better than the fans that even while putting together a 20 min spell of moderate pressure it counts for shit because we’re never more than 1 misplaced pass away from the other team having a great goal scoring opportunity.

The people treating the change in mentality as the primary issue, something that has somehow simultaneously taken hold on a large group of previously top performers, are giving a huge undeserved pass to the failures of the football side of what is going on.

We’ve barely put in a coherent 45 mins of football all season. Even when we’ve had patches of looking ok we have always left enough in the game to give the opposition some confidence they can ride it out and hurt us. And worst of all, the majority of wins (maybe all but Arsenal and Everton) have come only when we’ve thrown out the failing plan A and turned to a mad roll of the dice. The best thing that can be done to get these players playing with the confidence of the title winning, top internationals that they are is to set them to succeed with the game plan.

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We didnt have a disastrous start in 2020-21. We were top through the end of Dec, 2 games shy of the half way point.

That run was achieved despite new signing Thiago only getting about 30 mins of football before Jan, having lost virgil for the season against Everton, and Gomez after City. When Matip went down in the game following Fulham that was when the wheels started coming off.

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It’s not just this season. There were warning signs going back to the previous season as well and not all of them took place after securing the title.

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In a performance with very few redeeming elements, he at least got involved. It highlights the comforting lie that Isak’s ongoing irrelevance is because we’re letting him down by not getting him involved. Each performance from Hugo demonstrates that it is far more a case of Isak just not finding a way to get involved. He has been very mischaracterized on here recently as a traditional number 9 who lives and dies based on the service he is provided, when that is not remotely what he is. Over the course of his career he has been an all around attacking threat more than capable of getting himself involved in the ways Hugo has been when he’s played.

He totally idiotic also. Needless fouls, getting in our players way, never looking up for a pass.

The only position I could see him in is CF and tell him to stay in the box as he at least seems to be able to finish chances. Don’t think he’ll ever be a starter for us though

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4 goals from 34 shots suggests he doesn’t take chances.

According to FB ref

Goals and assists
Mo - 6 goals and assists 6 (1 PK)
Chiesa - 3 goals and assists

Minutes played
Mo - 1073 minutes
Chiesa - 148 minutes

But Chiesa is crap.

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Chiesa is shite. Do you honestly think Slot doesn’t use if hes a great as you make him believe.

Never thought that a player who very rarely gets on the pitch would get haters but there you go.

Its not hate at him its people making him better than he actually is.

I remember counting how many shots Coutinho made in one match. I lost count after 38 and not one goal. He was soo fucking shit. :grin:

He went from being a subject of jokes about him not realizing he was the one brazilian footballer who could not shoot, to almost overnight being the most dangerous long range shooter in the world.

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I like Chiesa. He is a 100% trier
But objectively he was very poor when he came on vs PSV. Calls for him and Endo to start are a bit desperate, bearing in mind the quality ofcplayer we want benched in their place.

I doubt anyone “hates” him, but we can be honest as well. I really thought he was going to be an addition to us, but am really less than sure now.

I don’t see him as being great, but what is Mo offering atm?

Very little offensively and just look at Mo’s defensive stats in the post I have just shown with the Adam Cleary video.

For me I would put Chiesa in for his effort as that is what the team needs.

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