Post match: Liverpool v Spurs (EPL 16/12/20 8pm)

If I believed in an agenda against LFC then I wouldn’t think any of the last 3 goals we’ve conceded would have stood if we’d scored them.

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I thought Son was offside but I am completely fine to give it. It’s close so move on.

What I am not fine with is the 5 mins to decide Mane is off or the other armpit decisions we have had. Go with the people on the field.

What I really fecking hate is the linesman not flagging and letting VAR decide.

oh actually I hate VAR. Ruining football and taking the passion out of the game.

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If a linesman fails to flag an off-side now in order to let VAR decide, does that mean every decision they made pre-VAR was just guesswork? Just asking is all

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I hate to think how many offside decisions over say the last 50 years, if they could be reviewed, would prove to be wrong. I think many were and at lower levels still are guesswork. Only human nature for that be the case. Which is surely why we now have VAR.

We rely on a linesman having one eye on the last player to touch the ball and also the offside line. It isn’t easy. If VAR gets it wrong god help a human pair of eyes.

VAR will eventually prove to be the answer. Chips in boots and heads is the way to go.

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I read somewhere VAR was brought into play because the standard of refereeing was dropping each season, and the likes of Roly-Poly Jon Moss couldn’t keep up with play.!

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Even if he was the fittest referee there has ever been, he still wouldn’t be deciding on offsides, even pre VAR.

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The funny thing is last night if the replay had no lines I would have said close but fine. Once the line went in I got annoyed and thought it was offside.

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I’ve got me pot noodles at the ready…

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links to the gooders, please. I need a good laugh today.

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more like the technology of TV has gotten so advanced that it was impossible to ignore how it could affect the game.

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How is location interpretated into quality?Is it the location of the player when striking the ball or how close to the goal the ball ends up when in play?

Also, would both Bergwijns shot that hit the post and Kanes header which went over be counted as expected goals even though both could not have been scored, only one of them?

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I don’t know in detail, I have never looked at how it is calculated for footy - it came out of hockey analysis. But the insight is basic - if you get more shots, you should get more goals. But if all of the shots are from 30 meters out, not that many. If they are all from inside the 6 yard box, you would expect most of them to be goals.

For hockey, the variables are distance, position of defenders, type and speed of pass, type and speed of shot, and shot angle. Getting type of shot modelled is really tricky, because in hockey slapshots are far faster than wrist shots, but generally not as accurate. An open side wrist shot from close is about as good a shot as one can create, the same shot from the top of the face-off circle won’t beat a good goalie who can see it.

I would suspect both of those would be counted, firstly because to do otherwise makes the calculation fiendishly calculated, and secondly the fact that those rebound type situations themselves should have a very high correlation with scoring a goal.

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In theory, all chances are rated from 0-1 based on where they were taken from and what sort of pressure the attacker was under. In practice the calculation is pretty complex.

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Fantastic performance last night, clearly the better side, no matter what Mourinho says.

Really delighted for Williams, really good display from him, always in the right place, he didn’t look a newcomer to the side, nor so young. Same can be said for Jones.

IMO Gini is very under-rated by too many reds fans, albeit that last night nobody could under-appreciate his performance.

I really don’t understand why so many are happy for him to leave, nor why his contract doesn’t get sorted asap.

We have three very injury prone midfielders/forwards in Oxlade, Keita and Shaqiri, and they don’t really deliver that much when on the pitch either. If you add their appearances together, together with their wages, and divide one by the other, you’ll see Gini offering much better value.

For me the squad needs tweaking. Some of this season’s injuries relate to the schedule, to poor tackles, and indeed to unnecessarily being put in harms way (Jota), but there are clearly too many injury prone players at the club, who I’d move on well before Gini.

As well as Keita, Shaqiri and Oxlade, in defence Matip and Gomez are far too injury prone.

People argued with me on the other site about Gomez, and I know a couple of injuries have been impact ones, but over his career with us he’s been out far too often, and for me he’s not top class anyway, over-relying on pace and often getting wrong sided.

With well over a third of our senior outfield squad injured, including two thirds of the six senior defenders we have being out injured last night (Gomez, VVD, Matip, Kostas), and with 25% of the 20 outfield senior players IMO very injury prone, we simply have to look at tweaking things.

We need to bring in a new defender in January, keep Gini, and let one or two of the injury prone list go in the summer.

As to the officials, last night’s result was again despite them rather than because of fairness.

Had the Son goal and the penalty been our forward and our defender, our goal would have been disallowed and Spurs would have been awarded a penalty. Never mind allowing them to get away with thuggery, and penalising Mane every time he challenged or rolled a player.

VAR take ages to scrutinise in detail every opportunity to deny us something, yet barely looks at incidents when it’s the other way around.

The Premier League hierarchy and their referees are biased against LFC, and are determined to stop us winning the league. That’s club related, regional prejudice related, and it’s because some officials are clearly in the employ of the owners of competitors. Martin Atkinson is unquestionably bent.

Yes Richard Mastes, you preside over unfair competition and almost certainly over bribery and corruption within your ranks and subsidiaries.

Oh and maybe it was because I had an eye on Anthony Taylor last night, because he’s another of the corrupt ones, but I lost count of the amount of times his position blocked a pass by us, or an attacking move when we had the ball. Our players had to check and pass the ball to someone other than their initial preferred option many many times.

Funny that.

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Mourene is ahead of the game then. He has a chip on his shoulder. :crazy_face:

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The best was reaction of Jose’s was when Firmino scored and they showed his face, looked utterly distraught.

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Would have LOVED to be in the KOP for this moment

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A beautiful first half performance from the mighty Reds! Spurs did try to attack in the second half, and yes they hit the post - but my take on hitting posts and crossbars is this: its a miss! When Mane hit the crossbar it annoyed me, when they hit the post I smiled - even more so when the camera’s panned on the Sour One’s face!

If only we had put more beef on the chances we created instead of firing them down their GK’s throat! But the reality is this: we won 2-1! The better team won! But not in the Sour One’s mind! Great seeing his pain!

Bobby’s celebration for his goal was pure magic! Great delivery by Robbo! Great header by Bobby!!! I too went berserk when Bobby scored - I ended up in the kitchen wooping like a madman!!! I didn’t know VAR was looking at the goal, their agenda is obvious - they wont to spoil anything connected with the mighty Red men.

Anyway ladies and gentlemen I am rambling! I hope I’ve made sense! My excuse is I have been to hospital where I had a camera inspect my ‘undercarriage’ for cancer - I am happy to share the good news: I am cancer free downstairs!!! I have a genetic mutation which can turn polyps cancerous, which is why I am screened every 6 months. But COVID has disrupted all our lives, and somehow the Grim Reaper keeps missing me!!! Apologies if I have been too open, but I wanted my TIA family to share in the good news!

I must watch the full match again!!!

Finally, Curtis! What an outstanding talent! 19! He’s going to be HUGE!
Gini was sensational too!
Oh fuck it - THEY ALL WERE!!!

NEXT…and this time we WILL perform against Palace!!!
In Klopp we trust!!!

Nurse…

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That is the best news! :muscle:

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