Anyone who changes their accent for TV cameras is a fraud.
No pride.
I think the thing with Gallagher is that unless it is obvious the ref is in the wrong then he goes with what the ref has decided.He then looks at why the ref âcame to that decisionâ.
Kloppâs comments today donât directly say why he was so uncomfortable with that Tierney allegedly said to him, but do seem to give an indication if you can read between the lines.
According to Klopp Tierney told him that he wanted to give him a red, but on advice of the 4th official downgraded it to a yellow. That poses the question of what Tierney saw to want to give him a red? Either he immediately turned to watch Klopp as soon as the goal went in to see if he could catch him doing something (which is a problem) or he looked over after the incident and decided that without having seen it that it was a red, which again is a problem. Either way it is a ref targeted a manager, but because he didnt use vulgar language (seeming what the PGMOL though Kloppâs initial accusation meant) they have cleared him of wrong doing.
I am not one who frames this stuff in conspiratorial language, but I am aware of how impact my experience of my work is when I get assigned to projects with people I dont like. It is pretty obvious Tierney is carrying something around with him that impacts how he referees Klopp and his team
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Jurgen Klopp confirmed that he shouted âWithout youâ at the fourth official when Diogo Jota scored the winner at Spurs.
If you look back to a few weeks ago when the same ref booked Robbo ,he didnât see what had happened as he didnât act or move towards the incident for at least half a minute,so what was he booking Robbo for.The PGMOL were the only ones that thought the linesman done nothing wrong in that incident,pundits,other supporters and ex-ref all said the linesman elbowed Robbo and had to be sanctioned in some way yet nothing has happened to him and no responsibility taken by the refereeing body.This is the type of situation which leads managers and supporters to thinking maybe some refs do have an agenda and may go someway to explain Klopp coming out with what he said on sunday.
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Hahaha, moving goalposts. Read it in itâs whole context, ie your response to another poster.
Of course taken in isolation, unless youâre a nutter, anyone would prefer to break a bone in the foot rather than their head.
But you wonât just say yep, youâll continue to move the goalposts.
Yeah itâs dumbing down society really. Heâs saying stuff to get a reaction. Itâs like talksport, the presenter doesnât really believe what their arguing half the time.
Newspapers have become gossip mags, they donât report the news, they put their spin on it.
Thatâs why I basically only read TTTâs. It might be his slant but itâs a slant I can stomache. Anyway he doesnât hide itâs his viewpoint. As opposed to Dermot who makes out heâs interpreting the rules.
I hope heâs confronted with that
Itâs pretty easy. Donât assign him to our games in the future. Find someone unbiased instead.
Problem solved.
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Someone unbiased? Uff, easier said than done.
I think youâre confusing âmoving the golapostsâ with âbeing utterly demonstrably correctâ
A big problem here is the sheer volume of Liverpool games Tierney officiates. He gets loads of them. Itâs absurd.
He has refereeâd us seven times this season already. Thatâs 21% of our fixtures.
There are 22 referees on the PL panel. We should be seeing each referee twice, three times at most a season.
Even if you take a charitable view - he isnât biased, heâs just a really shit referee - him getting such a disproportionate number of Liverpool games just means grievances are going to build and fester.
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Nope. Youâre confusing âbeing utterly demonstrably correctâ with moving the goalposts. Youâd rather win the argument than have integrity. No biggie.
But hey, lifeâs too short to get involved in a to and fro contest with you. So yeah whatever.
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Wasnât he booked for dissent? If that was on the word of the linesman then so be it.
However, on Sundayâs game he gave a yellow for dissent towards the 4th official (which no-one is complaining about) but Klopp claims he would have made it a red. Thatâs referring on emotion rather than the game. I can see why Klopp thinks he has a problem.
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I do not understand why, if the refs are already micâd up, that the audio canât be shared with the TV audience. I donât want a constant stream of ref comms but why they canât take a leaf out of rugbyâs book for once Iâll never know.
At key moments you get to hear the ref. Usually this is when talking to the TMO (VAR equivalent) or when they are explaining a decision to the players. When itâs the TMO, you get to know what the refs perspective is first before he invites the TMO to review. Take the Jota incident, youâd have got something like âwhat im seeing is the player making contact with the head with a high boot. Thereâs no deliberate intent and for me itâs reckless and a yellow card.â
The TMO then watches it through (with the ref on a big screen but we know thatâs not happening in football) and you hear them talk it over. Were there mitigating circumstances? Did the player dip his head? Did Jota have time to pull out etc. The TMO has to convince the ref to change his on field decision or it stands.
Now, even if youâre left still left questioning the decision theyâve come to, everyone knows how theyâve come to it, what theyâve considered and taken into account and crucially what the refs initial decision was and why he might have changed it.
You also then get to hear them explain it to the players so they understand. Now everyone knows how they got to the decision they did. Rarely if ever do you then see endless debates from commentators, pundits and the media about these things. Everyone accepts the ref will occasionally interpret it slightly differently but heâs provided a rationale for it at the time and everyone just cracks on from there.
Unfortunately with football there seems to be this narrative that refs should be respected but not have to provide any rationale for their decisions except to the PMGOL whoâll circle the wagons to protect them at all costs. It hardly harbours good relations towards them from anyone else in the game. Decisions they make decide games, tournaments and sometimes peopleâs jobs but they continue to perform at astonishingly poor levels and never have to justify any decision they make.
I wonder if the PMGOL even provide the clubs copies of the match reports for them to review.
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10 game ban incoming no doubt!!!
You were replying to my direct comparison of the 2 challenges
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Bringing the game into disrepute usually 2-3 with a fine.
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iâd say it may be closer to 4/5 as itâs the 2nd time this season and they warned him obout future conduct.Itâs ridiculous that a manager cannot question a refs integrity after a game yet the rules forbidding players from betting on other clubs games are essentially doing the same thing.In doing so they are suggesting players would be doing that for dubious reasons but there is no way a ref would do that.