thank you. fuck em. Virgils tackle was borderline ok.
if im being honest and reasonable, i can see the veiwpoint that it was a foul and then the reasoning for it to be a red…but i cant be arsed being fair, no one else is…when Kompany can assault Mo, Silva can manhandle him and Klopp is villified for responding, when a linesman can elbow our player and the review justifies it, when Pickford can kneecap VVD and VAR wont look at it because they were too busy looking at an ‘offside call earlier’…
Virgils tackle and response didnt happen in a bubble…teams surround the referee with impunity…the only time ive ever seen it go punished was…when Mascherano got redcarded at OT…shock
all that and it doesnt even mention the assualt on TAA, which ended up with TAA getting a yellow card.
You can can fucking say what you fucking want, but it fucking doesn’t make your fucking point more fucking compelling to fucking people who don’t fucking agree with you.
The only thing he achieved was to tack on more games under suspension. So what was the point other than hindering the team?
The state of the English referees is appalling and I’m certain that there’s a group of them that has a clear agenda against the club but this is not how you deal with it. On the contrary, it only provides them with more ammunition so that they can shaft us with more impunity in the future.
It is up to the higher ups, Gordon, Hogan maybe Henry himself to ask questions. It is not up to your captain acting like a petulant child and managing to make things worse in the process, no matter what sense of gratification one may get out of it.
So, Liverpool supporters on a Liverpool supporters forum are blinkered?
Fair enough.
And I genuinely get your stated position of having experience reffing as well.
I have lenghty experience in football.
I am Partisan regarding Liverpool, but am not in tin foil territory.
I see this need for searching for fairness as futile though.
Look at the example posted by @Dutch above.
How is that play on and Virg gets a red card?
Please explain that to me?
And please refrain from calling people blinkered because they dont agree with your view on how the Virgil incident was managed.
Regarding Virg, I reckon he was pissed off as in he is a fair player, not dirty and getting sent off is not his nature and thats possibly why he berated the ref, also being captain he may have felt he had let down the team by being sent off.
There was no malice in his challenge, just mistimed and from the wrong side.
Yeah, yeah, that’s right. I know, how about Klopp drawing up a list of grievances about the injustices we have suffered at the hands of referees in comparison to referees’ decisions in games involving the Manchester clubs? He could call a press conference and read out this list and hand out a copy to all the journos in the room. I’m sure everyone would pay attention to that.
I still don’t think it was a foul and even if it was, it was no more than a yellow card. But I also knew at the time Virgil was going off because the ref was looking for something to get the Newcastle players, bench and crowd off his back after not giving Trent a second yellow. But then I’m blinkered because I have a different opinion on the incident.
We’d be fuming if that tackle had been on one of ours and their player hadn’t been sent off. We’d be accusing the refs of bias and talking about agendas.
He kicks the player then the ball. It’s a pretty obvious foul. It seems a harsh red given it’s a relatively innocuous foul but it’s the situation in which the foul has been committed that makes it a red card.
The ref was woeful and got plenty wrong in that game but I find it hard to see how anyone is arguing against that being a foul and a red card.
The club aren’t going to win an argument on that one. What they should be doing is accepting that charge and presenting the FA with the evidence of the refs mistakes leading up to that point to highlight where Virgil’s frustrations were coming from.
It’s the inconsistency in the way the rules are applied that is the gauling thing here. How is the push on Trent not called for a foul? How is that not seen as a foul but the slight arm on Gordon is immediately blown for when the contact is far less significant? How is Trent booked for throwing the ball away but Gordon isn’t. Why isn’t Joelinton getting booked for waving imaginary cards or the cynical foul on Gakpo.
Ask the FA to explain away those decisions and emphasise that the refs failings directly contributed to the sense of frustration and injustice.
Was about to post pretty much the same, you beat me to it. I’d add that the first tackle on Trent should have been at least a yellow but as the refs have been told to be tough on players throwing the ball away / wasting time, gave him a decision he could make which was absolutely correct (by the letter) so a box could be ticked and he’s absolutely darling of the ref high command. The second was at least a yellow (we’ve seen reds for those) so absolutely should have been a second yellow. There’s probably the biggest mistake. Think he knew he was fucked at that point so waved it away.
If VVD swore at the ref, should get a long ban and deservedly so. Been into this at length on here, the game needs to show respect for refs not least as an example to the kids. Saturday morning football is a farce at times with kids and parents swearing at the ref. Imitating what they see the pros do. It’s considered disrespectful to shake your head at the umpire after a decision in cricket. Football could learn a thing or two. However if he shouted “ref’s a twat” in the tunnel away from the officials, that’s very different.
It won’t work. It just goes against you and you end up with a fine.
You can throw stats and everything at it but it doesn’t give you the evidence you really need. It just fuels the Winging Scouser rhetoric for other clubs / supporters.
It stinks, I hate it but honestly no idea how you move it forward in a way that doesn’t screw you up at the same time
Yeah but there’s been a few posts over time that have suggested “doing something”. None of it sticks without real evidence, and some statistics produced by someone, anyone doesn’t cut it unfortunately.
Hard to tell with just highlights but to me Trent wasn’t throwing the ball away/wasting time. He was throwing the ball to where he thought his free kick was going to be taken from. He’s still on his back from the foul when he throws the ball and I don’t think he knows it’s been given as a throw-in at that point?
