My view is if it gets worse Euro 2020 (already delayed) gets dropped.
Who have other clubs signed? Just wondering what evidence you have for your statement of “other clubs aren’t having an issue”.
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I think Rhys lacks confidence but when he has matured and plays alongside VVD he will get better
In the U23s matches he is plenty quick enough but in the rarified air of the 1st team he is a bit overwhelmed and the same goes for Van den Berg and Koumetio?
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I don’t think there’s been much business done at all by other clubs. They’re all in the same position, regarding spending in the current climate, maybe City are the exception. The only signing I know of is Utd and an 18yr old, his name escapes me.
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I regret being despondent about our 1st half performance since Gini explained that they were on a no win situation they go full tilt and they get accused of bullying but the narrative today was different with Moaningho’s team apparently showing respect by trying to dismantle the Marine team?
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The narrative is different if we are doing it.
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Sometimes you just can’t win can you…
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Or, in Tony Cascarino’s case, you can never win.
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personally, I think our player’s showed some respect to keep down the score as they knew they were playing a very young team. Our club seems to have an in-built character of respecting other teams, which is why I think they don’t smash other teams that we as supporters consider to be at a lower level than our team. The odd time it happens is because our players as humans get carried away a little and so put a few past opposing teams. The only team(s) I want a cricket score in our favour is always against manure and teams that have managers that show disrespect to our club.
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I agree, the sensible thing to do would be to cancel the tournament. Under current conditions it would be the height of folly to permit players from different associations to mingle in an international tournament.
Unfortunately common sense is a commodity sadly lacking in football authorities in general and international football authorities (UEFA, FIFA etc) in particular.
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You haven’t got that quite right. We didn’t win the CL the season we sold Coutinho in the January, and I argued we needed to replace him that window. We lost the final.
And my argument has always been that we could win more by doing this that or the other, not that we won’t achieve anything.
We have done great the past few years, but it is not yet an era comparable with those of our past, which I desperately want to see.
I appreciate the offer, but don’t need a chat about how good the side is, I can see it myself, and I can compare it to past teams.
I grew up as a kid with the 70s sides, I had a season ticket in the 80s, and this side is the best since the 87/88 side.
I’m no glory hunter with unrealistic expectations. I’ve travelled all over the place watching the reds, I’ve seen the lows as well as the highs. I was at the FA Cup Final of 86 when we did the double, then the League Cup Final we lost to Arsenal in 87, then the FA Cup Final we lost to Wimbledon in 88, and was at Anfield the night we lost the title to Arsenal in 89. I was at Cardiff for the treble winning finals of 2001, and many more highs and lows.
Believe me, match attending fans have always balanced fervent support with healthy criticism, I remember standing on the Kop for a European Cup match when even Souness was getting stick for his attitude.
I don’t know where you live, how you came to support the reds, what your association with the city is, how many matches you’ve been to, but your support is as valid as mine.
But maybe you could also keep in mind, that for some of us LFC is more than just sport, it’s a city and reginal thing, and that’s why our passion and desire for the club to win everything sometimes is misconstrued as being unrealistic or impatient or over critical.
I’ve seen how this country treats and thinks of Liverpool. I was walking to Hillsborough for the fateful semi of 89, and saw a policeman walk up to a Liverpool fan who was stood eating a pie minding his own business and say to him ‘get moving you horrible scouse bastard’.
I was at university around that time, away from Liverpool, mixing with people from all over, and know what was being said about the club and city by people from other areas, in addition to the media lies. I got into quite a few verbal confrontations putting people right on what happened that day.
I’ve been to enough away matches, crammed into cages, treated like animals by police, chased all the way back to our coaches by gangs of opposing fans, to kind of know what LFC fans have been through.
Never mind how the nation treated the city for decades over Hillsborough, and vile chants about that and the city that continue right up to this day, and which one doesn’t hear about any other city or club.
My drive to see LFC succeed in every competition every year, is because of my love for football and the club, but also because of injustices and mistreatment the city and our club have suffered for decades.
I’ve never said the current management are not doing their best. I know it’s difficult in the benefactor era, I know the league is more competitive than the 80s.
But please don’t ever portray me as not knowing my stuff about the club, nor being some unrealistic modern day Johnny come lately supporter.
And thanks for the best wishes too. For anyone who has had stuff to deal with over the past year, it’s been additionally difficult.
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I’ve never suggested you’re not a real fan, and I don’t know why you’d launch into a geographical justification of your fan credentials - it’s completely irrelevant whether you are local or not. While I’m not from Liverpool, I do go back to about 86 with the reds.
I’ve said to before that the reason you frustrate me is because you clearly do know your stuff.
I think you are the kind of fan who would sit there at the end of a League, European cup and FA cup treble, and moan that we didn’t with the league cup.
You can support the club in whatever way you want. I just think it’s a bit sad that this is one of the great Liverpool sides in their prime, and you’re more focussed on complaining about stuff that could be better than enjoying the ride.
And if I’ve unfairly characterised you, please remember that all I can judge you on is what you post here, all all you post here is negativity. Perhaps, it would help everyone to form a more accurate impression of you if every now and then you had something good to say about the reds?
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Re the geographical thing, I said above that your support is as valid as mine wherever you’re from. You’re part of the LFC family, and a welcome part of it too, as every red is.
What I was saying, is that location based links to the club and city make certain aspects of following the reds different to those of people not from the area.
People not from the city can’t feel the sense of injustice that people in the city feel.
The city is always singled out. When covid breakers were in Concert Square it was all over national news, when it happened in Soho it didn’t even get a mention. We’ve even had Cracker episodes in which a Liverpool fan was a serial killer borne out of him going mad over Hillsborough. When Panorama did a piece on the NHS in Liverpool, they showed all the dereliction and not all the lovely parts of the city.
I’ve lived in different places, travelled widely, have had a good career, my sense of injustice is not because I personally was disadvantaged, but because the city I was born in and its good people are mocked and tarnished by a national media and country that needs somewhere and someone to look down on. In reality, the place they’re mocking is far better than where they live, and the people more warm, friendly and hospitable than any I’ve come across on my travels.
What you often do is project onto me what you perceive, then exaggerate it to cement the perception amongst others on here.
Who ever said I’m not enjoying what we are achieving? How do you know how I celebrated the title win? How wonderful a night I had in Liverpool when we won the CL. What a fantastic day I had in Liverpool during the trophy parade of 2001.
All I do is comment about where we need to improve regardless of how enjoyable the success we have is. In fact, when I’ve read TIA and this site over the past year, I’ve seen many posters saying much of what I do and not get the same response to saying it that I do.
Essentially, my view is that LFC is the subject of bias, prejudice, corruption and hatred like no other football club in the country, partly out of jealousy of the club itself (including the unique passion of its fans), and partly because deep down many people don’t like the city.
This forms part of my extreme dislike for England as a country, but it’s also why in my view the club has to go the extra mile in order to achieve things, and why I focus on what it should do in my view.
We’re probably suffering to the tune of 10-15 points a season due to officials, and in a tough league we can’t afford to not do things that somehow offset that.
One such issue right now, is doing something about central defence.
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I’m not from Liverpool but I agree with every word of this.
The city of Liverpool is always portrayed in a negative light in the British media and has been for the last forty years.
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No, I don’t. I form an opinion of you based on what you post.
It’s not my opinion that you were stomping round TIA in the summer of 2019 claiming if we didn’t make signings for the first team we would win nothing, or that if we didn’t replace Coutinho the previous winter we wouldn’t qualify for top four.
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Who ever said I’m not enjoying what we are achieving? How do you know how I celebrated the title win? [/quote]
You’ve never said you enjoyed our success. That’s sort of the whole point.
If all you post in this community is warnings about our imminent failures and warnings that if we don’t sign this player or that player we’re fucked, then quite naturally the impression you are going to create is that you’re a bit of a miserable sod.
I haven’t bothered engaging with the injustice stuff. I don’t think it’s relevant to the discussion and I don’t really understand what the point of it was.
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“You have fuck all to say when things are going well. You’ve only resurfaced because we’re struggling again.”
Let’s just remember that what started this little engagement between us, was you posting that message above to me when I hadn’t even addressed you.
Uncalled for in light of what I’d said, aggressive, and notable that others on here, and TIA before, say exactly what I do - maybe a bit differently - and don’t get that type of response.
In my time back posting I have wished people well in the current situation, honoured people who have passed away (Gerry Marsden and Ray Clemence), and vented about the treatment of the club by officials. Yes I’ve commented on how I want us to improve, clearly in a way you don’t like, but nothing that warrants this level of differentiation in how my posts are treated.
And yes, you do project and portray a different tone than I have actually used. I addressed the words you used in an earlier post, all of which were totally irrelevant to anything I’d said.
As to the injustice stuff, the relevance was that you present me as an armchair Playstation critic with unrealistic expectations who only sees the bad.
So I demonstrated that my history with the club is long standing, passionate, broader than just football itself, that IMO the club is always up against it in terms of trying to achieve things, and that any comments I make about things the club needs to address, result from all these things.
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Even in my local O’ Casey’s in The Hague where people from all over the world come but mainly British, Irish and Dutch I hear the same negative things, the same ‘jokes’ when it comes to Liverpool, the city and the club and it is not only told by United supporters, it’s done by supporters from all teams.
They, and now I’m being polite, dislike us with a passion.
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The difference between you and other people is that other people also post stuff when we’re doing well.
My point of annoyance with you is not what you post, it’s what you don’t.
I explained why I had been away. Having initially decided to take a break from TIA, as it was becoming too time consuming and too confrontational to be enjoyable, other personal stuff then kicked in.
And I’m posting now, which for all the mixed recent results is still a period when we’re doing well, being in the mix for the title and still in the CL.
I know you’re not on here 24/7, but I have posted things after good results, celebrating the wins and expressing pleasure.
But in any case, whilst this country might be well on the way to becoming a police state, as far as I am aware groupthink doesn’t yet apply to football forums. If we’re getting to the position of telling people they must post something positive to counter what is perceived to be negative comment, then it’s all a bit much.
Let’s leave the ‘offsets’ for carbon, and not comment.
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Oh do stop it.
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