Premier League 2023/24 (Part 1)

I watch cos I have supported them through thick and thin.

I believe every year is our year and that we will win every game and win everything, even the Nobel peace prize.

I still enjoy watching and although other teams have deeper/endless pockets, I don’t like it but really I don’t really care.

Never liked the footy we played under Rafa, I still watched all the games I coukd, but I love Jurgen as a coach and as a person and the front footed footy we play.

I suppose we are just red through & through.

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What, play after five pints at lunchtime?

Used to be eight.

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And even in bad times we still believe.

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In a nutshell.

I would gladly see us take a huge fine/points deduction if Jurgen openly called these cheating cunts out at a press conference. Those that clearly fuck us like Tierney, Coote, Kavanagh, Taylor and a few more who are extremely suspicious.

It’s gone beyond the point where I’m even arsed about arguing with those amongst our support who still think everything is above board. Quite frankly anyone still thinking that is fucking delusional.

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I would usually agree with all the points above, re the likelihood of us being turned over by the PGMOL and others and getting deprived of winning the PL… That was, until that letter went in from the club questioning the honesty and authenticity of the whole set-up. It is my belief, that never before have the authority’s been under such scrutiny for bias to others, since the Spurs game.
Yes we have already been done out of some points this season, yes the same questions have raised their head against the standard of refereeing decisions we have taken on the chin… but all they have managed to do at this moment in time… is to prevent us stealing a march on the rest of the pack, similar to the season we romped home out of sight from any challengers as such.
If I was a betting man, I would put my money on us winning the PL this season… for the two simple reasons. One we will have won enough games in an honest fashion to amass enough points. Two, the PGMOL need to dig themselves out of the hole they placed themselves in over the Spurs debacle…!
Keeping the competition interesting at this stage of the season suits the TV companies… who we know are the real paymasters…
Jurgen knows he has one hand on the title already, lets hope the club help him keep the other, around the throat of Howard Webb.

Whilst a club have over 100 outstanding charges against them with no timeline for punishment, then the league is truly fucked.

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So the club has a hand around Howard Webb’s throat?
Since the Spurs game we’ve been shafted at Brighton, home to Arsenal and at Burnley. We’ve been allocated 6 absolute cunts as ref and VAR over Christmas/ New Year.
They’re fucking laughing at us and you’re deluding yourself.

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Agree. The old notion that these things even themselves out stopped applying when VAR came onboard. Now they can decide stuff willy nilly, and Howard comes out with some rubbish about why things happened.

Assume that Mic’d up will more bullshit in the next airing - with the Odegaard handball being talked away as some minor error, the Salah offside being factual, and the Man City handball pen yesterday being too close to call as a clear and obvious error. It will all be topped off with a statement along the lines of “can’t do anything” or the “laws of the game”.

Good process boys.

We saw City players surround the ref yesterday, without any cards being dished out. 100 percent sure that had our players surrounded Tierney the other day, they’d have received cards super fast.

The line between corrupt and inept is regularly hopped over, but conveniently explained away by Howard etc.

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What you describe, is what we have seen over here in the NFL for many years. It’s a “star-driven” league, dominated by TV/advertisement ratings. To the degree its version of VAR is employed, the outcomes are eerily similar.

The games have gone beyond predictable.

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Yep. Just as you can guarantee that certain NFL teams would get every single call their way (cough, Patriots, cough), the same thing has been happening since the advent of the Premier League.

First it was United, then it became Chelsea and now it’s City. The common denominator? Each was the richest club in the league at the time, and I’m sure that their owners/backers had friends in high places.

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Not deluding myself at all… We are at the halfway point of the title race - As far as I know, no-one has won this seasons prize yet…!
My point was/is… The first time the club came out and publicly backed Jurgen and the players, the arrogance from the PGMOL and the whole mood towards us changed completely.
The last thing the PL want, is a club of the magnitude, money and resources of LFC… challenging them via litigation or some other way…! Most certainly if they continue to fuck us over too much in the second part of the season and we lose the title by one point…!
We only have to see the way they backed down over the Arteta comments the other week, after his club came out backing him to the hilt… No fine, no further action was taken against them, nothing, zilch… - The PL shat their pants…
My original post noted the harsh treatment we have encountered since the Spurs game… never once said otherwise…!
Whatever happens for the rest of the season, you can bet Howard Webb will be watching events unfold with ‘self-interest’, because if LFC do bring a grievance at the end of the season over the Spurs game, plus a montage of other ‘fuck-ups’ during the season, it is Howard Webb who will be firmly in the firing line.

You’re living in cloud cuckoo land. They’ve been shafting us for years, the same old faces time after time after time. We’ve bent over and taken it while the old guard of Webb and Atkinson have retired and been replaced by the current crop of fucking cheats.
Nothing has changed since Spurs. They’ve done us out of at least 4 points since and have literally allocated us the 6 biggest cunts they could have over Christmas.
The idea the spineless shirts at Liverpool are going down the litigation road at the end of the season is laughable.

that’s a solid lunch right there, be farting down the wing.

https://twitter.com/CF_Compss/status/1740377093316477018

The fact that they’ve been able to make a comp that’s over 2 minutes long when we are only half way through the season is utterly ridiculous

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It is infuriating.

I had to look for something positive!

https://twitter.com/WhoScored/status/1740411536437649886

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There are huge question marks in the game right now over refereeing. Every team gets bad decisions and can put forth their case, but it is pretty clear that Liverpool suffers a disproportionate amount of this stuff.

Paul Tomkins wrote a thorough piece on this, and while it was a good read, it would also benefit from a bloody good edit to get the main points into bite sized form, so that it has a chance of getting into the public discourse on the game. :face_with_monocle:

We get the short end of the stick, and I am 100% convinced of that.

Where I depart from @cynicaloldgit is that I still have a bit of hope that we might win! It could be naïveté , but I will fight hard to keep hope alive.

Man City’s biggest advantage is that they have systematically cheated the system to amass a squad of players so big and so good, it is almost impervious to injury or loss of form. Most teams are susceptible to losing key players, but not Man City.

Beyond this obvious cheating, I’m not as willing to say they have the referees in their pocket. That might be the case, because if your culture is to cheat at all costs to gain a competitive advantage, then why not pay the refs off too? But I’m not quite as willing to go there, yet, as I am with the other cheating they have been doing over the years.

What does all this mean for our chances?

It absolutely diminishes our chances.

One of the galling things about having one of the best managers in the game assemble such great Liverpool sides in recent years is that we only have one Premier League title to show for it. We should have so much more, and we have been cheated out of that.

And now here we are, mid season 2023-24.

At the half way mark we will be top, or second, pending Arsenal’s result against Weat Ham later today. We are right in the thick of the fight, albeit we’re not nearly close to the business end of the season yet. There is more improvement to come from the emerging Klopp 2.0 side.

As things stand I would make Man City favourites to lift the title, Arsenal second favourites, and then us ever so slightly behind, but still with a chance.

I expect Man City to win it again, but I do think we have a chance, and I hope I’m not deluded in saying that.

With fair treatment across the board, our chance to win the title would, of course, be much bigger. But there’s no way I am counting us out.

As for the watching football at the park thing, I very much resonate with what @cynicaloldgit said on that. When I watch football, in particular Liverpool, I am watching people who are light years ahead of what I could do. I love the game, and it quickens my pulse to see players on my team doing stuff I couldn’t dream of doing. E.g. Trent’s pass to Mo recently, 60 yards, inch perfect, drilled, with backspin, to go just beyond the defender and sit right in Mo’s path, who then cut inside and smashed home a lovely goal.

I could take a bag of balls and try all day long to hit that pass, without the pressure of the opposition trying to stop me, and I would fail, miserably. I was a handy amateur, midfield, but when I see that sort of thing it is mind blowing.

That’s part of why I watch Liverpool. To see stuff like that.

Anyway, the game is corrupt, and our chances to win the league are much smaller than they should be, but we are not out, and I am still hoping we do it, even if it feels a bit ahead of schedule for the new team Klopp is building.

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this is really what it’s all about. a multi-billion industry, in the shadows

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That Brighton side is muck.