Racism and all the bad -isms

Magic. So you’re a righwingist / phobe.

I know quite a few people who are to the right of the political spectrum, and generally they are sound as long as we don’t talk politics.

So I think ‘phobe’ is not the right term. I find your political views abhorrent, misguided and intellectually facile. I don’t hate you personally, and last time I checked your political views aren’t a protected characteristic under the equalities act. .

And to loop back to the start of this latest attempt to snare me n some kind of gotcha trap, I’ll expand on my original statement. People like you aren’t meant to like Stewart Lee. Or James O’Brien either, if you want. Or Marina Hyde It’s comedy/broadcasting/writing from a left wing/liberal perspective (although SL also pokes plenty of self-deprecating fun at the left too) so of course you don’t like it.

(Although something that does rile me, generally about any discussion of any art, is the application of an objective standard of quality to a subjective form. You said Stewart Lee isn’t funny. That’s patently untrue. He is a masterful stand up comic, with decades of experience, tons of glowing reviews, even in the right wing press. By any measure he is a very successful and appreciated performer. What you meant to say is ‘I don’t like him - he doesn’t do anything for me’. Which is fine. I don’t really like Jimmy Carr. But it would be foolish to suggest he isn’t very good at what he does)

You could flip this on its head and say people like me aren’t meant to like Jeremy Clarkson. It isn’t meant for me. He’s a right wing, establishment blowhard, railing against equality and progression from the position of extraordinary privilege. Why on earth would I like him?

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Just a bit of fun

After having considered this for a few days, (and choosing not to post drunk) I’ll give you this thought. If the civility of your fingers replicates the civility of your tongue, I’m not surprised you can’t talk politics with your right wing friends. As for Stewart Lee, I believe we can consider this to be an ad populum fallacy. You consider Bernard Manning or Chubby Brown to be funny? They were popular.

Always the left that get grouchy and throw insults, maybe it’s constantly losing?

No. I don’t find them funny at all, but I won’t deny that they were obviously very good at what they did.

It’s a shame that what they did was tell racist jokes.

No we can consider it to be the nature of trying to judge a subjective art form in objective terms.

Clarkson is then by your definition funny. I think he is, glad we agree.

Fuck off whoopi

I’m sure he is a very good broadcaster, who knows exactly how to trigger his right wing audience by making up something that isn’t true about someone less fortunate than himself.

I’ve never watched Top Gear or any of Clarkson’s “shows” but despite him coming across as generally distasteful, is he a mysoginist and a racist or some one who will do anything to remain in the light? Or, all of the above?

Interestingly(shockingly?), a bit at the bottom of the article says that Clarkson was failed by the editing team - not that Clarkson was being utterly vile…

Not sure if he’s a monogamist,but he definitely shagged around when he was married :grin:

A lot of what he says in print and on screen is to keep him in the public eye and earning.

I’m sure you meant misogynist, but yes to so many, because he insulted a woman of colour he is therefore a misogynist and a racist.
It’s convenient to give him a label as well as criticising him for distasteful comments

Little bit of A and a little bit of B I reckon.

If Clarkson didn’t have a decades long track record of casual racism and misogyny, people would be more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Has he ever been cautioned for this, or fired/suspended from a job for it?
I genuinely don’t know.

I don’t see what you’re accusing him of, but I’m a fan of his.
If true, does that make me a supporter of racism and misogyny?

I suspect because you’re the polar opposite and despise the man, that you find it convenient to perceive him of the above.

Have you ever watched Top Gear? He was continually in trouble for racist and xenophobic slurs against foreigners and minorities.

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So, a couple of warnings, but no.

Think the worst trouble he got was when they built the bridge over the River Quay emulating the classic story of the River Kwai. He remarked there was a slope on the bridge. I didn’t get the reference at the time. Apparently it’s a racial slur for people who live there. Not exactly eating puppies or murdering old people.

Regarding the story as a whole, does anybody actually care about Megan and Harry? Personally I couldn’t give a shit. Their choice to do their own thing, no issue with that but their only possible story can be to be controversial about the royals. I just don’t care.

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And they got the wrong river in the end.
Clarkson rips the piss out of himself and portrays himself as a bit of an oaf in a lot of the programs he’s done as well, something that a large section of the population would be way too precious to even consider doing.

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This is the thing I don’t get. They are largely irrelevant from a constitutional position and if they want to do their own thing, so be it.

I know that Harry has history with the press. He holds them responsible for his mother’s death and gives them short shrift.

However, I just don’t understand why so many ordinary people rant about them as if they are war criminals or something. The whole thing feels like a manufactured distraction.

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I did… edited just now…