In some instances, kids are chosing to identify as trans or gay when in a torrent of hormonal change.
The fact is they might not really know just who they are, and media dictates a certain way to think.
The "acceptance " of different forms of sexuality and gender is probably as confusing for them as it is for adults. Adults that are unable to digest the rate of change happening in contemporary society.
Well, you must be fairly blinkered if you don’t believe that you pissed me off.
Do I have have to spell it out?
A while back you asked me if I had issues, or if a family member had issues surrounding disability or mental health. Because, and I paraphrase…that is usually the reason people get annoyed about such issues…
Then a couple of days ago you suggested that people on the forum might be trans, or have close relationships with trans people, and that might be why they are getting heated in debate.
You used the term “offended on other peoples behalf” as a “woke” insult to demean those arguing about the existence of different sexualities/genders.
At one point your argument consisted of “boys have cocks, girls dont”. You might not realise it, but that ould fella at the bar “back in my day” stuff is insulting to vast numbers of people.
I asked to to explain your rationale about “skin in the game” being the only reason for people to be offended, but you actually edited my post to answer, and gave some crap about 250,000 years of biology.
I dont mind the debate, but your method on this is confrontational and bordering on offensive.
There are of course, side debates regarding sport, trans people in sport, facilities etc that need discussion. And sensitive discussion for all concerned.
So, in answer to your assumption.
You pissed me off.
I annoy people in other threads. I have polar opposite views with @Rambler on bias for example. And I hope I don’t insult him in anyway.
I have issues with some posters on other things, and we piss each other off.
I actually don’t really care about some. I potentially will never meet them.
Or you.
You piss me off royally on some issues.
Don’t pretend you don’t know that.
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I agree. I had said that I do not agree that homosexuality is natural. But whenever I converse with my friends and if they ever get agitated because of my stand, I usually stand down and not double down because with friends, I do not need to be right, if he wants me to stop, I would because there is no winner in winning an argument in that sense. I have also said that I get very disappointed that whenever I would make my stand clear, strangers would label people like us as bigots or anti-love and I think that has to change. However, I have also engaged with a specific group of people in Singapore who are very vocally against these groups of LGBT and calling them mentally ill people who are sick and perverse. And I told them, you are free to think what you want, but how does calling them names, labelling them, pushing them away further from a conversation, how does that help and there will always be such extremists, and I say this for both end of the spectrum.
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Not natural, but common in the natural world?
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I have seen these articles. And with all due respect, it does not change anything about what I think about humans. I am no scientist and no researcher but throughout nature, every species have their own way of reproduction of continuing their species. Whether that is like the seahorse where the male seahorses are the ones who give birth. That is natural to the seahorse because thats how nature determine it for them. For humans, so far, I can only find proof that it has to be sexual relations between a man and woman or a sperm fertilizing and egg to reproduce. And its not likely anything will convince me otherwise.
EDIT: and I am not here to change anyone’s mind about anything, I usually will tell people what I think based on what I believe and see and usually have no interest in long debates and in any case, you miss the main point I was making in agreement to Quicksand, is that we can all disagree on things but there is no need to be cruel in our engagement with people whom we disagree with.
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That’s the way most animals procreate, but @Bekloppt’s article was saying that same sex sexual behaviour is still common amongst many species, including primates.
I think we can all agree that gay sex isn’t going to produce a child, but that’s not really the issue.
I know it is two different things, reproduction and behaviours but I was answering Bekloppt in the perspective I thought he was asking me that why I would thought it was unnatural for humans if there are same sex behaviour in animals in nature. And I was explaining why I believe that same sex behaviour in humans are not natural. I agree that there are same sex behaviours but like humans, if it does not lead to natural reproduction, that is not natural, just like I believe in humans. I believe that nature have determine how each species are to reproduce. It blows my mind that male seahorses are the ones who get pregnant and gives birth. But hey, thats how nature has determine it to be. And if there are behaviours that are out of the norm, it will not change what nature has determine right?
EDIT: and that in conclusion, if anyone asks me, can I love someone of the same sex and engage in a same sex relationship? I would say sure! Its your choice to love anyone you want and feel. But if you ask me whether its natural, I would say its not as how I see it above and both these views do not contradict in my world view.
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I remember a great line on this in Shameless years ago.
A lads brother has just come out and he is having difficulty with it. He finds a gay porn mag under his brothers bed while looking for cigarettes and confronts him about it.
Look at that. It’s an arsehole. It’s not made for that. It’s not natural
(Points at the cigarette he is smoking) Yeah, and I suppose you think God gave you lungs so you could fill them with cigarette smoke?
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Bit annoying that nature keeps doing unnatural stuff.
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I never knew about male seahorses getting pregnant and giving birth. Just googled it. Wow!
Every day’s a school day. 
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The female still produces the eggs and males the sperm, but the males carry the eggs around in a special pouch. It’s an adaptation that allows them to produce more generations.
Basically a man bag?
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I also think for that 12-14 age group, we are seeing a bubble (without making any inferences on causality) relating to social isolation due to the lockdowns. That presumably heightened the confusion and anxiety. Where I think this becomes problematic is that a lot of girls/young women are being reassured in the adoption of a trans identity, where a generation ago they would perhaps have been lesbians.
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OK, message received and understood. I won’t apologise for my opinion but I will for the ham fisted use of terms. I have no wish to offend or upset anybody. I accept I do have a certain style that rubs people up the wrong way but that’s just me.
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Excellent point. A friend of ours daughter (15) recently “came out” and given the prevalence of this at the moment, it’s probably more a case of the tail wagging the dog. Jnr calls it a fad / trend and is far more plugged in on the subject than me. Interestingly she’s not actually done anything about being gay yet, except getting the kind of haircut you can imagine.
Being gay is just a form / expression of desire, love and affection. Vive la differance and all that. No different to preferring tea to coffee. All the isms regarding it is probably rooted in the hateful preachings of the religious. There at least, I suspect @Mascot and I will agree.
To be fair, I hadn’t done anything about being heterosexual at that age either 
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I paid a visit to my barber’s yesterday. I have been going there for 20 years and know the guy pretty well now. It is the old fashioned type. You just call in. We always talk about family and how they are getting on. I know he had got a divorce recently and had two kids in their early 20s.
He told me he had a new partner and I asked how he had met her…he then rather sheepishly told me his new partner is male. Well you could have knocked me down with a wet Echo…except I was already sitting down. He then told me he had lost weight…which he had…because his new man didn’t like flab. Too much sharing I feel.
I had rather a disturbed night’s sleep 
So was he born gay, and been hiding it all his life (including the having children bit), or did he become gay in later life?
And, if the latter, why? 
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No idea. I didn’t like to ask 
But yes I did wonder myself. He has never struck me as remotely gay and I mean that in a nice way…although he doesn’t like football . Yes I know…
Can you become gay in later life? Is that even possible?
It’s more likely that he was bisexual. It tends to be less visible as the outside world will only see them in their current relationship.
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