you decide
I saw the production via a National Theatre live gig. It was astonishing.
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“We should be able to acknowledge that our society has been PARTLY shaped by the slave trade” FIFY
I appreciate that “getting closure” and “atoning” are difficult subjects to find solutions for.
But it serves nobody to make generalisations about white involvement in the slave trade. It just breeds resentment and defensiveness in those that believe there should be a search for solutions rather than just jingoistic slogans
I also appreciate that there are inevitable and most often justified connections between present day racism and the historical slave trade. However, the subject I concerned myself with was slavery and not racism in general - which this conversation has moved towards.
I would just add that Britain is one of the most multi-cultural nations on earth.
There is a non-white PM.
The Kings Daughter in Law is non white (please lets not open that can of worms)
The Home Secretary is non-white.
Our national sporting teams have representatives of all creeds and backgrounds.
And so on.
What I am saying is that giant strides have been made in British society over the last 50 or so years. There is still work to be done but perhaps a more constructive and problem solving attitude can be adopted rather than banging the drum of structural racism at the expense of drowning out all other voices, solutions and opinions.
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easy.
some kids develop slower than others.
just because some kid is good at kicking a footy at 10 years old, does not exclude the less advanced on from catching up and maybe ending up at a higher level in senior football.
its simple really…encourage every kid regardless of thier development stage.
if you just praise the winner of an under twelve race or competition, you actually do him or her a disservice, as eventually, the work ethic drops off.
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Yes. You’re spot on. Though I would debate how much pride we can take in any Tory PM and MM, but that’s an entirely different topic.
But here’s the thing; both points of view can be true. We should take pride in and encourage diversity in all aspects of society and look on that as a positive AND at the same time acknowledge that many aspects of our history are built on the blood and suffering of the oppressed. Perhaps those bits are the bits we shouldn’t be so proud of. So going back to what kicked off this whole recent conversation, when a museum decides independently (ie not because of external pressures) that they want to remove a small portion of their display, just maybe we as a society should say, okay fair enough, we understand why you made this decision, instead of thousands of people on social media, the majority of which probably have never been or never would have gone to this museum, suddenly being offended that racism can be systemic.
How can we be proud of a multicultural society, when the people who make it multicultural are subject to continuing abuse and prejudice? How can we proud when every time a tv show has more than one black person in it and they aren’t playing slaves or criminals or part of a fictional non-european inspired country, some individuals react by running to the internet to cry about how woke everything is?
Yes, we absolutely should be positive about a multicultural society, but we don’t achieve that by pretending it’s a utopia because we have a non-white PM from an otherwise massively privileged background. We get there by recognising that problems exist and trying to do something about them .It’s just whenever that happens, some people want to chalk that off as wokism.
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All for one and one for all.
Equalitism.
Spread the word.
I was never here
Did you watch Black Panther? Odd none of Wakandans were white given your logic. “But that would be ridiculous” I hear you cry. Didn’t stop a dwarf (a species that lives underground) being black. If it’s accepted in all films fine but there does seem to be a case of double standards here. It’s not running to the internet to complain, it’s pointing out the glaring inconsistencies.
The double standard exists because one skin colour has been massively under-represented in film and TV, and one skin colour has over-represented.
I understand it doesn’t feel fair, but I’ll go to my go to phrase on this - if you’re in a position of privilege, any move towards equality is going to feel like oppression.
Black Panther was notable as the ‘black power’ Marvel comic - an attempt to market a superhero off the back of the Civil Rights movement in the sixties. When it made the move to film the race aspect was front and centre in the marketing. It would have been a bit weird if Tom Cruise had played T’challa.
Absolutely, was going to be my response too. You have to accept the double standard @Mascot
Sorry, I didn’t get the reference?
Anne Boleyn being played by a black actor was discussed in depth on here at the time, it was generally considered acceptable.
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Oh, I see. I’m not familiar with that production.
By people who think I could play the role of a one legged Mexican lesbian.
You know that getting a bee in your fanny about the cast of Black Panther when you wouldn’t about The cast of The Wire or 12 Years a Slave is proving my exact point? Even though it was a minor part of the actual point I was making
You get that right?
I must point out here that I’m very much a man. As this is a forum based in England. Can you clarify what you actually mean please? A fanny (in English) is a vagina. I’m guessing you’re American hence your understandable confusion.
He didn’t want to say bonnet in case you ‘took the fence’
I’ve been here before with you, and what it comes down to is that as a white person who has had it it your own way forever, you just have to suck it up.
For fucks sake. You’re moaning on the internet that a white actor can’t play a ‘black part’ but a black actor is allowed to play a ‘white part’, as it’s some grave injustice, while black people suffer racist abuse every day. Textbook definition of white privilege, right there.
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You’ve never heard me moan, you’re not my type.
It’s very simple. Do we all agree on equality? That’s a yes no answer BTW.