Racism and all the bad -isms

Do you know who Michael Hobbs is (@RottenInDenmark on Twitter)? He’s a writter/podcaster who focuses on dissecting popular narratives and with a real passion for picking apart moral panics. Most on this thread would hate him, but you;'d love him. He’s just started a podcast called If Books Could Kill, focusing on the the troubles with that they call Airport Books, popular books positioned in airport shops that dispense some “novel wisdom” that brainworms itself into society despite it being fucking stupid and falls apart when examined even a little bit. And so the podcast is about ripping apart these books and the premises they’re based on.

They started the series with a review of Freakonomics and there is a section they tear apart about the issues people with “black names” have in the job seeking process. The argument in the books essentially is the people who reject names on part of them sounding black are not rejecting them out of racism because they know the candidates are black, but because the name confers some information about the candidates having traits (blackness) that are undesirable. “It’s not that I wont hire black people, it’s that I think black people are stupid and lazy and I dont hire stupid and lazy people.” So, totally not racist at all. This book had enormous impact, yet this is what passed as meaningful insight that serious people read and said “oh, that totally makes sense.”

FWIW - ‎If Books Could Kill: Freakonomics on Apple Podcasts

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Unserious person? Not your usual loquacious term. Critical race theory boils down to everybody is racist, particularly white people. You can argue all you want on this point but you’d be wrong.

An award like that can mean so much to a young kid. Yes maybe they aren’t the best in the team but it can give the kid the confidence to try different things and get better at what they do.

On a side note, it’s not just kids that need encouragement. In the over 50s team that I manage and play for we had to remind certain players about not criticising but encouraging team mates when they mess up.

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Fucks sake.

Why don’t you try Googling ‘critical race theory’ and see what turns up.

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You make the assumption that I haven’t read up on it at length.

Have you? Or just been on the lefty training course?

I know Critical Race Theory doesn’t boil down to everyone is racist.

It’s not that you’ve got it a bit wrong, you’ve literally claimed it’s the opposite of what it is.

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Again, this is literally the opposite of what CRT states. This is literally the one sentence definition in Wiki

So yes, someone who commits to a wrong understanding of an issue s not a serious person.

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So nobody’s racist? So what’s the point? If nobody is racist, surely there’s no issue? If the system is racist then the people who implement it must be racist QED…

Hence, unserious person.

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You do understand what the symbol ? means don’t you?

It doesn’t preclude the existence of racism. It just provides an avenue for people who don’t think they are racist and don’t appreciate being asked to feel guilty for things they havent personally done to take a step back and move forward in a more just way without having to be or feel responsible for the problems of the past.

If someone was concerned with the dangers of being punished for the “sins of our fathers” you’d think they’d embrace Critical Theories because they explicitly reject that idea. If someone is presented with what Critical Theory is and they respond by saying “nar, I’m happy with the way things are” then you are damned by your own sins for own complicity not for those of your father.

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I’m not answering your questions, because you aren’t entering this discussion in good faith

Your latest contribution is is to totally misrepresent CRT, and then refuse to acknowledge your mistake when this was pointed out to.

Pointing out something does in no way prove that the pointer is correct.

none of these arguments in a football forum ends well. the tone of the thread has devolved into one of animosity and nothing good is coming of it.

Thus, I’m bowing out of this thread (and ones like it) because nothing constructive is going to come out of it.

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This isn’t a matter of opinion. You are just wrong.

CRT does not say all white people are racist. It says the opposite. Racism is perpetuated by institutions and societal structures, rather than individual intolerance.

How hard is it to admit you were wrong? We wouldn’t even still be talking about this if you’d just replied to Limie along the lines of ‘Fair enough mate. I was mistaken. Thanks for the info’

This is the problem. The opposite of all white people being racist is that no white people are racist. This is demonstrable nonsense. So you clearly don’t understand the theory.

As for agreeing with @Limiescouse why change the habit of a lifetime?

Go Away No GIF by phlywheel

Maybe to lighten the mood…

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From a racist institution maybe?