Racism and all the bad -isms

I don’t see the difference

The issue is the generalisation based on skin colour, regardless of whether your connecting, feeling, or relating to.

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My apologies for responding to you in good faith.

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To be fair to @Semmy, I kind of get what he’s claiming, the only trouble is that most of the scientific evidence we have about the influence of genetics on such things suggests the opposite of his claim. I don’t quite remember much, but I think the conclusion can safely be said to be that we don’t quite have enough information to make a categorical stand one way or another, especially given the difficulty of untangling the influence of one’s society from one’s genetic material in experiments, but it seems more that children are shaped by the environment that they’re in more so than the genetic background they have.

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In the case of the misunderstanding with @BigJon maybe…But can you say the same about different music?

What about country & western music? What about reggae? What about k-pop? what about bhangra?

If you associate certain music styles with where they are popular, that’s not racist.

I am confused by this.
You seem to empathise with sufferers of OCD, whilst asking me to add my own punchline about the OCD community?

Regarding taking offence.
Its simple really, offence is the property of those who are offended, not the people causing such offence.
But you know that and so do we all.

The issue with offence is the usurping of it on others behalves, or pretending to take offence in faux outrage to gain sympathy or popularity.
There are loads of fucking woke Irish people taking offence on behalf of our homeless population because Ukrainians are being housed in the country.
The same idiots would piss on a homeless person 6 months ago. They couldn’t care less, but are using our homeless as a convenient weapon against immigration.

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and now we’re getting somewhere. Nature vs Nuture. are you a product of your environment, or your upbringing?

Not sure I would classify that as being woke then, more cynical abuse of other people’s sympathies.

If I could answer that question…

Because where do you draw the line? Tomorrow a co-worker drops a printer on your foot and you rightly call them a fucking idiot. Said worker complains to your boss because his brother is a fucking idiot and he’s offended.

Please watch Demolition Man for a little indication as to how far we’ve already gone to the very worrying left. Sooner or later, language will be banned as anybody can be offended by anything. What I’d have said to your colleague “If your OCD is that bad, at least call it CDO”. If they don’t see the joke, there’s just no helping them.

Serious mental illness? Please. I type as one who has to check the locks 12 times before leaving the house or work but I don’t make a song and dance about it, or worse complain about a fellow human making a light hearted remark.

I meant woke in a sarcastic manner. Sorry

You won’t show basic kindness to a colleague because you’re worried Demolition Man will come true? :joy:

Sometimes offence can be a good thing. Shakes things up. Creates dialogue. Makes people think.

But sometimes offence is unnecessary and unjustified.

For me it comes down to who is doing the offending and who is being offended. Whether you are kicking up or down. Making a crass joke about an MP feels very different to making a crass joke about a homeless person.

My own barometer for this is thinking about how I’m affected. Does the change this person would like me to make to the way I behave have any impact on me?

If someone said they would prefer to dispense with genders and stop referring to myself as a man, that’s firmly in ‘fuck off’ territory. If they asked if I would mind using a gender pronoun in a meeting because it helps them feel included? Sure, no worries. It’s no skin off my nose and I’m not compromised or inconvenienced in any way.

A lot of this is just kindness. A change to my behaviour or actions that I will barely notice, but means the world to someone else.

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Just for the record, OCD is not checking the locks lots of times.

It’s like saying to a person with ME ‘we all get tired mate’

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You know I’m ME? Didn’t think so.

You have ME? No, I didn’t know.

So how would you feel if someone who was feeling tired, went around saying “Blimey, I’m really ME-ish today.” I imagine you’d be quite pissed off at them for making light of your condition, right?

The reason I used ME as an example is because I know a few people with the condition, and I’m aware something they have to deal with, as well as the chronic fatigue, is people who think they are just tired. Not so much these days - it’s better understood - but more often than they should.

This thread has more drama than Ronaldo’s interview!

Bill Hader Popcorn GIF by Saturday Night Live

No, not at all. But that’s me.

But don’t you understand that this kind of trivialisation of a medical condition leads to people treating people with ME as if they are ‘just a bit tired’ - which directly impacts on the support and care you get?

If I get time later, I’ll type out the story. Will maybe give you an idea of why I see the world as I do.

Never say “I feel like death” Loads of dead people will be pissed off that you trivialised their condition.

You do love a little subtle condescension don’t you.