Didn’t those soldiers give their lives for freedom?
That includes the freedom not to wear a poppy if you don’t want to.
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Quite so. I think Mascot explained himself eloquently. One doesn’t have to agree with him, but there is certainly a lot of room for differences of opinion in how war is remembered and how it is also politicized.
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I’m also not saying @semmy shouldn’t wear a poppy. He can do what he likes. My partner always wears a poppy, and the kids buy them at school. I choose not to. I’ll remember the victims of war how I like.
It would be deeply ironic if the act of remembrance became the antithesis of the thing these lads supposedly died for.
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Erm. No. I’ve no interest in pissing on other peoples acts of remembrance. I’m not a heartless twat.
You might be a bit guilty of going off on one, here.
Poppy Fascism! did you just invent that?
Poppy fascism. bahahahahaha fuckin scenes
@cynicaloldgit you’re correct that they did. and you sure do you have your freedom to not wear it.
You won’t want to wear a poppy, then don’t. But what’s the thought process behind telling the world that you’re protesting the wearing of a poppy because of what happened in a world war over 100 years ago that you, nor your parents or possibly even your grandparents were BORN to witness?
my grandfather would roll over in his grave reading this. pretty sure his brother buried in Normandy would too. fucking hell.
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But it’s how that symbolism gets used politically today. E.G. The Good War cult in America. Politicians, particularly on the right, gorge themselves on the iconography of World War II, and anyone who balks is labeled Un-American or worse with the question “Why Do They Hate America?” It’s disingenuous. How does one defend oneself against that?
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It isn’t a protest. I am not demanding anyone else doesn’t wear a poppy. I’m just exercising my own freedom, a concept which I believe may have been front of mind to you grandfather and his brother as they laid down their lives.
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I mentioned it in passing and Dane later asked (in own special way) why. Which I answered. I hadn’t planned to write about it at this length.
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You clearly missed my original passing remark, saw the (I think polite) conversation between me and Dane, and decided to go back and quote it to have a pop, and presumably try and spark a pile on.
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It is not what happened 100 years ago. It’s the fact that 100 years ago, we said ‘never again’. And spent the subsequent century in perpetual conflict and selling arms around the world.
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I never said I don’t take part in remembrance. As I said, I’ll usually give some money when I pass the British Legion stand. I just don’t want to wear the poppy, or take part in the military themed act of remembrance.
So maybe, wind your neck in and let this one go? You’ve got the wrong end of the stick and you are making an absolute fucking show of yourself.
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and yet this fuckin guy Hitler didn’t buy any “arms around the world”, but he rampaged through Europe for five years. Nobody told him “never again”, apparently.
Here we are in the middle of the largest war staged in 100 years on your doorstep. If estimates are correct, over 100,000 people have died. Some of them had a choice to defend their HOMES from invasion, some were forced into battle. Some of those people in Ukraine have been living under Russian military law for 8 years already.
I’m guessing Putin wasn’t listening when we said “never again”. Is he fighting this “special military operation” with weapons he bought from arms dealers, or did he make have them made in his own country?
There will always be men like this, in positions of power both major and minor who choose conflict over peace. This is the way it has been for millennia and it’s not an excuse, it’s facts written in history.
so you go ahead and keep telling the world why you choose not to wear a poppy. When war comes knocking on your door and you have to hide behind those who answer the call to defend the sovereignty of their home, maybe you’ll have to re-think those ideals?
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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I think Mascot explained his reasons in a fairly respectful way.
He chooses not to wear one, but still admits to donating to the British Legion.
Given that they are the official vehicle for helping veterans of all ages, then that’s a pretty decent thing to do considering his beliefs about wearing the poppy.
I wear my poppy on my right calf every day, and will do until I die.
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Like I said. Making a show of yourself.
I’m not telling the world why I don’t wear a poppy. I only answered a question because Dane asked.
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why lie about it? you stated your reason for not wearing it to Klopptimist before Dane entered the conversation, and it wasn’t even about a poppy at that moment. you pull that out of the blue.
going to bow out now, as they’re 35 posts about have a wank to power your home in the Jude thread and this has run its course I think.
I mentioned that I don’t wear the poppy in passing when replying to an analogy that Klopptimist dropped in. Much later, Dane asked why and I replied. The conversation was quite respectful, until you flew in.
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No, I don’t think it’s gone well for you either.
don’t really care what you think, to be honest. 
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I suppose that makes sort of sense. You’ve just spent an hour getting angry about things I don’t think.
Flying off the fucking handle about me not wearing a poppy, and then having the lack of self-awareness to call me a snowflake. Jesus.
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Consider the Irish players pilloried in England for not wanting to wear a poppy. Their choice, to my mind. I think the hostility to the poppy in Ireland is excessive, many of those fallen were Irish themselves. But I cannot condemn the Irish sense of it being an ambiguous symbol for them, and as long as they respect the spirit in which I choose to wear it, I have no problem with that.
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Im Irish and i know no one who is hostile to the poppy in Ireland .Hostile to the military who used force against us, yes.Choosing not to commemorate that military ,yes.
There are numerous reasons why Irishmen fought in WW1,In my part of the country loyalty to the british empire was at the lower end of priorities .
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Quite ironic this use of the snowflake imo
Your the one that’s come in to the discussion, that seemed fairly respectful, and have been unable to deal with the fact that Mascot has an opposing opinion to you.
“Snowflake" is a derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions.
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I found this a while ago that I found quite interesting on the topic:
https://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1011-ireland-and-the-great-war/
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