Russian War Crimes (Part 1)

hmmm :thinking:

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You are wrong here. The Moskva has been functioning as an area denial object. Hindering all Ukrainian air operations along the coast. Due to Turkish blokade of Bosporus Russia also cannot reinforce its navy. Ukraine havent been able to operate becsuse of the Moskva. This is huge. I dont know what sources you have read bit I doubt you read those I posted last night. The Moskva is hardly just an old and useless ship. I find your post very strange as its not based on facts.

I posted 20 or so detailed posts about this.

Kopstar posted something above which lead me to believe that it isn’t that much a big deal. But if I’m wrong, very fine, this isn’t a hill I won’t die on. :wink: :+1:

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Well, that is super simplified. It has been sailing down the coast, bullying, firing its cannons and acting as one giant aerial defence sone as well as command ship for operations. It is MUCH more valuable than any single Frigatte and corvette that sometimes fires the Kalibr missile. If you read what I posted yesterday that should have been clear. Kalibr firing corvettes does not hamper Ukrainian operations, Moskva did.
While the ship is old, it has an obscene amount of weoponry mounted to it as well as being a command ship.

Sorry for bad grammar. Phone.

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We also dont know for sure if it has gone down or if they manage to tow it to Sevastapol. Satelite picture will reveal that. Russia claims it has not sunk. But no matter that, it is out of action regardless.

Genuine question. What’s with the weird Indo-Euro dance/rock music on all these videos? I’ve no doubt the scenes are real but why are the people posting them adding such inane stuff to it.

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Of course they don’t speak fluent bullshit. What’s wrong with that?

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Moskva is on its way to Sevastopol and it is sailing using its own engines and is not just towed.

Dammit, where the Kraken when you need it

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So what do you think? Will they be able to re-use it, or is it out of combat for good?

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Here is an article about this topic:

An excerpt:

Worse yet, fighting a war means diverting energy and resources to killing rather than to sustainable development. Countries involved, even peripherally, in such conflicts are likely to have a far more limited capacity to deal with that other war, the environmental one. Take, for example, Italy and Germany in the wake of the invasion of Ukraine. Faced with the need to replace natural gas and other fuel delivered from Russia, Italy now has provisional plans to reopen previously shut coal plants; while Germany, faced with an even greater energy crisis without Russian energy supplies, may now delay plans to close its last coal plants until 2030. Both of those are small climate disasters. Obviously, there’s no way of imagining when Ukraine’s cities will be able to deal with climate change again. The now-destroyed Mariupol is a prime example. Once labeled by the European Bank of Reconstruction and Development’s Green Cities Program as one of the most ā€œengagedā€ cities for its efforts to invest in renewable energy and clean up water pollution, it’s now in a desperate struggle for its own survival.

It means lost time against a threat which is much, much bigger for us all than these ridiculous nationalist arguments. What a monumental, moronic waste!..

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Ship repairs are huge, expensive projects. Measured in years and tens of millions.

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I don’t know, but I think it will be years before it could be fully repaired. Russian refit tempo is not super high. Usually a refitting takes years and this damage could be extensive. However, there are also reports that they are doing a Salvage and rescue operation now. It may yet sink, we just don’t know.

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