I think the possibility of this conflict escalating into a nuclear war, comes into play before Nato decides to take military action against Russia. I’m convinced Putin is crazy enough to use his ‘shiny toys’.
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I know mate, thanks. I was just wondering if USA is monitoring closely to provide information of Russians positions and movements to Ukraine.
Ah ok I thought you were asking if it was an attack aircraft.
Of course we won’t know officially but I’d be surprised if we haven’t been giving information to the Ukrainians on troop movements for a long time now. Could help explain why the Ukrainians counter offensives have been so successful.
Taking a break. Let’s hope the fronts don’t collapse further while I am off.
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There’s zero chance of a nuclear war. It is what Putin is banking on. The West is so hungover from the Cold War, it will go along with Putin and it’ll all conclude in a hand shake in a few years time.
The take home form this is that the West values lives over laws and morals - which is fine but it comes at a cost.
I’m not that sure about that. I mean where did the lives go when there were drone attacks regularly conducted by US in the Afg/Pak areas…Also when US and their allies destabilized an entire region by invading Iraq on a false pretext.
No side comes out of instigating war with a positive note.
But is it okay to fly there or are they violating anything? As far as I know Black Sea is owned by multiple countries. And looking on flightradar (and looking at this pic) it looks like Ukrainian/Russian airspace… ?
We have drones all over Russian airspace just like they have drones all over ours. Technically I suppose it’s not ok but it’s almost been a game between nations to destroy each others drones.
It won’t escalate anything with Russia if they find out we have drones over their airspace, they fully expect it.
Apparently RAF Typhoons based in Cyprus, have been patrolling Turkish airspace over the Black Sea today.
Or supporting special forces on the ground… 
I was under impression that UAVs belongs to “aircraft group” in airspaces.
Cheers.
Zero? Are you sure? I wouldn’t take a gamble on that. Do we really want to get into a contest with Russia, of all nations, who’s willing to sacrifice more lives in an insane stand off? That country’s whole identity is based on defending enemies by taking on gigantic suffering and human sacrifice.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable or immoral to think that should be the absolute last resort, not the first.
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Anyway on this.
You are right in the part that there was only one flight sent by India after the advisory on the 15th. There were still commercial flights operational then as well and there was enough time for the Indian students to move out considering that the students all had free unrestricted travel to the other parts of Europe.
Either way, I think the Indian Govt didn’t do nearly enough but the Students should have made more effort to move out as well too. Especially when there were commercial flights available as well as a road route to get out of Ukraine then.
Two of the three scheduled were cancelled due to the Russian actions - one of them was scheduled for tomorrow. The first of them was one full week after the travel advisory. As I understand it, those were the only flights laid on to transport anyone.
Getting 18k people out of a war zone in a week is just not a trivial exercise.
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I still expect the Indian govt to do more. But knowing Indians, There were Indians who refused to get evacuated during Arab Spring movements as well despite the govt arranging flights for them.
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I just think it is too often a lazy answer. The Americans will bomb you even if you don’t have oil, they believe in equal opportunity.
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Just that they won’t bomb North Korea cause they’ve got nukes.
The big concern I have is raised by the question of why now? Sure, he’s a patient guy and so the obvious answer is simply that he thinks the circumstances are now right for limited opposition - alliances are sufficiently weakened and too much domestic issues in the major opposition countries. But the bit that scares me is the bit related to the comments coming from Macron’s team, that he seems older and slower than in past meetings. He is nearly 70. Is he sensing his time is coming due and the time left to really make his mark is running out? Will that lead to bigger gambles…decisions with more acceptance of damage and causalities on all side…than a younger healthier Putin would dismiss.
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