Ich war auch dabei 
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Part of me worries that the nuclear threat and all the troops that are not involved yet are for NATO. Other than expansion i canât make sense of what Putin is doing or what he hopes to gain. He seems unhinged from reality. What good can an invasion of Ukraine possibly do for Russia? If he isnât making sound political decisions, who can say what heâll do?
Not sure what to make of this, maybe @Magnus knows if this numbers are nearly true
in other newsâŠ
UvdL : First, we are shutting down the EU airspace for Russian-owned, Russian registered or Russian-controlled aircraft.
They wonât be able to land in, take off or overfly the territory of the EU.
Including the private jets of oligarchs.
Second, we will ban the Kremlinâs media machine in the EU.
The state-owned Russia Today and Sputnik, and their subsidiaries,
will no longer be able to spread their lies to justify Putinâs war.
We are developing tools to ban their toxic and harmful disinformation in Europe.
Third, we will target the other aggressor in this war, Lukashenkoâs regime, with a new package of sanctions, hitting their most important sectors.
All these measures come on top of the strong package presented yesterday,
agreed by our international partners.
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For the first time, the EU will finance the purchase and delivery of weapons and equipment to a country under attack.
Slippery slope.
Question re the threat of using nuclear weapons, how capable would we (I guess Iâm talking NATO here) be of intercepting ICBMs?
Secondly, what happens if they are intercepted?
No need to tell me what happens if they arenât.
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Threatening to use Nuclear bombs is just to threaten Ukraine into submission, me thinks.
Itâs frightening and a statement of how crazy a man the world, and particularlmy Ukraine, is dealing with.
Any other thinking is naive!
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An evil enemy, will burn his own nation to the groundâŠ.to rule over the ashes.
Sun tzu
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How does someone get to use weak or strong about Putin, mad or madder, dipshit crazy ⊠would be more appropriate!
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Very capable. Russia would be almost completely reliant on land based ICBM; their strategic bomber force stands very little chance of getting anywhere close to the US or UK although with Europe so close they would be able to get some airborne to launch range. Naval launches⊠The Russian boomers would likely be targeted as they sortie and the location of those already at sea is most likely known and shadowed, their capability has not increased in line with the West and theyâve had problems.
NATO should have an excellent launch warning system in place and time to intercept and NATO missile defence systems are as good as is possible out there but I doubt theyâd be able to get every single warhead; a massive saturation strike is likely to succeed in Europe and with some strikes over the US.
My two cents, anyway. A massive nuclear launch is simply unthinkable.
Normally I would say your are correct, but seeing some of the crap Putin has come out with the last 3 days, he has gone batshit crazy - I wouldnât put anything past him at this stage
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Someone just kill the cunt. Maybe we can get Trump as well in a two for one deal?
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Iâd like to think one of his Generals would Novichok him if he ever gave that order.
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Or possibly a little light shining through on the flip side. Fuck knows with that lot. I hope they can remember theyâre human beings first and military officers second and get rid of Putin.
I have seen this but its apparently fake news. It was on Twitter as well but was taken down quickly.
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Iâm concerned by this.
If he was not willing to autherize the nuclear forces going to alert and has been replaced that hints at Putin bordering on the totally unhinged and looking to get rig of anyone that opposes him
Thought so. But what happens if we blow an ICBM with a nuclear warhead out of the sky?
Presumably there isnât a nuclear explosion but what about radiation?
Should do it now , before he even has a chance to.
I am hoping his own generals take him out. He is leading them down a path that will result in their destruction.
The nuclear talk is very concerning as Putin isnât the sort to make idle threats.
If it is a few warheads I think NATO could intercept, but the proximity of Europe might put large population centers under threat, and if just one got through⊠it doesnât bear thinking about.
If it is multiple warheads in an all out attack, I think many would be intercepted, but at least a fair few would get though, even to America, at which point, yep, doesnât bear thinking about.
Since he is ratcheting up the nuclear talk, his generals simply must act.
Two variables at that point:
How many of them are true believers with Putin? If they are lockstep with him, well, shit. But if they know their boss is crazy, and need an opportunity to take him out, it might be close at hand.
I also wonder if any senior Russian leaders (friendly generals) have communication channels with the west open? Or maybe with China? Essentially saying we need a way out of thisâŠ
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