The Central Midfield Thread

Be very surprised if he isn’t on our list alright.

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Ox, Keita and Milner to leave.

Injury records of Hendo and Thiago won’t get better at their age.

Harvey actually being more of an attacker than a midfielder.

We need to bring in three new midfielders next summer compared to the start of this season but I can’t see us buy three.

So hopefully Bellingham (or an alternative)

plus Arthur (or an alternative)

And I’ve suggested this in the players thread. If Bobby keeps on scoring and assisting and Klopp keeps on bringing him on as a midfielder when needed then hopefully he extends his contract and will be our third new ‘midfielder’

There will be a couple of freebies that would be good. :smile::smile:

I don’t think you’ll win this one, I think Klopp’s mind is made up. Harvey is an attacking number 8 in our system.

Yeah, I think nothing changes positionally with Elliott. Of course, he’s an option for two positions, but I think we’ll continue working with him as a midfielder first. Certainly don’t see us signing 3+ midfielders. We’ll probably eye a big one and then we’ll see about the rest. Ox will leave for sure, Keita probably, we’ll see with Millie. Still a long season ahead. We can talk more about this in April or May, who we want to stay and go.

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Me neither. I think the one everyone is overlooking is Bajcetic. I think the club have very high hopes for this kid.

And last year we had very high hopes for Tyler Morton…

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Did we though?

Because he played a few games here and there in the cups and was named on the bench for a few Prem games when we had 5-6 injuries…

You answered it yourself :joy:

Bajcetic comes on in the 9-0 vs Bournemouth when we had 4 midfielders out injured.

Bajcetic comes on for 1 Minute in injury time when we had 4 midfielders out injured.

So what’s the difference to Morton last year?

Very likely that both will go on loan next season.

But that’s not really having “high hopes” is it?

Bajcetic and Morton are the most likely 2 from the academy and are part of the senior squad because whats the point in having an academy in the first place but doesn’t mean they’re anywhere close to being looked at long term.

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Going out on loan seems to be the kiss of death for our youth players Liverpool careers.

Elliott aside I can’t think of another young player who has gone out on loan and then actually made themselves a fixture in the first team squad.

Origi had that odd year away but Trent, Gomez, Jones and even Kelleher have never been on loan. But there’s a list as long as your arm of lads we had high hopes for that went out and that was the beginning of the end.

It seems to be a case of good enough to stick around or a loan is the first foot out the door. If Morton was seriously being thought of as long term first team potential then I think he’d still be here.

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Morton started away in the champions league last season in the San Siro with Taki one side and ox at the other and bossed it and we won the game.

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That’s how I felt, I think he was rated by us but not as highly as others, and he over performed when the opportunity arose. There are two youth players that were very highly rated but haven’t push on for a number of reasons.

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Any youth including Bajcetic, Morton, Gordon etc who has gotten minutes in a proper first team competitive game (bar situations few seasons ago like the Villa game where we had to put out an all youth team) have to be rated by Klopp enough to get minutes in. While there might be varying degrees of capabilities or skillsets, they all can be lumped into the ‘can be very good but its up to them’ category. Best examples are players like Woodburn vs Elliot. They were considered good enough to get games in the first team but eventually they did take very different paths as of now.

Regarding loans, while it might be true alot of time, it might not be all the time. Klopp is a manager that respects the feelings and time of players. Like what you all already have mentioned, if Elliot was never sent out on loan, we might not have seen the Elliot today. Because if he stayed on with the squad 2 seasons ago, he might never had gain the confidence of playing 41 first team games and being one of the best performers in Blackburn and come back realizing he can be more, he can have more and he can win more. So regardless of how many players had gone out on loan and not make it, one Elliot is enough to show the rest that its really up to you to live up to the high standards that the club demands.

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And we didnt buy a striker several years back because we had to leave room for Brewster. I think a lot of people misremember the story of the class of 94 and so have takent he wrong lesson. These were not kids in the academy a maverick manager decided to show faith in instead of buying players. They were players who had already graduated from the academy and played meaningful roles the season before. Scholes, Butt, Becks and Gary Nev all had 10-20 appearances that season prior to show Fergie what they had at that level.

As for our CM, I think the reality there are still way too many stories yet to be written before we can judge what next summer will look like.

One scenario

  • Elliott, Fab and Jones all prove themselves and Melo impresses enough we keep him. That leaves us with 7 CMs before we even look at someone like Jude.

Another scenario

  • Fab looks better as an attacker. Jones struggles with injury throughout the season and we’re then at a player who will be 23 by the time the following season ends, someone we can not longer viewing as a kid or a bonus but someone who has to justify his place in the squad and is struggling to do so. Melo is only lukewarm and so we dont make his move permanent. Hendo and Thiago both do what we know they can do but remind us throughout the season they are in their 30s with over a decade of top flight work already put through their ageing legs. This scenario leaves us a midfield of 4 players, 2 of whom have to be used sparingly moving forward.
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Wonder which 2 alternatives posters would suggest if we decide not to buy Arthur and if we miss out on Bellingham.

What I propose is that if we don’t buy Jude, then the alternative would be to buy Arthur and if we don’t buy Arthur then the alternative is to buy Jude.

What we need is a combination between Bellingham’s talent and Arthur’s desire to become a Liverpool player.

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With Iñaki Williams’ indestructibility.

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The ideal is Arthur is signed as that means he’s discovered his early Barca level and he’d be perfect rotation with Thiago.

We add Bellingham for the right and a younger prospect for Fabinho backup like the Gomes or Enzo linked players,

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