Boris is on the Russian vodka bud
What was the Marseilles model?
Not heard this before.
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mentioned him once at the other place, but i have a friend/acquaintance who was a tomato can pro boxer and not especially bright before all the blows to the head
he got into the lunatic Q anon conspiracy somehow (not exactly a reader), got in a big facebook argument with my dad (who was his high school basketball coach)
he just tested positive for COVID. little on the nose
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For the UK I’m still trying to reconcile the stark difference between the UK’s so called testing capacity and what we;re actually achieving.
Does anyone know how many tests were applied for last week, or on any given day for example? There’s an immense amount of BS flying round on this
From what I see, it seems the UK is testing quite a huge number per million, around 300K, thats quite far ahead of for example France who is testing only around half of that number.
My take is that in most countries, if the numbers spike, it cannot be just attributed to the government alone. Granted that government needs to learn and learn fast on the job regarding this pandemic, the common folks need to work together. From what I see, even in supposedly obedient Singapore, there are people who says screw it, if the government does not say, does not know, I gonna do anything I want and blame it on them.
To me so many months after the pandemic first hit, the fact remains that no one is none the wiser on how to deal with this virus in the long term. Just when someone thought they had relief, it hits again. And I still think that whatever you think of the people in charge, whether they are idiots or what, I believe that MOST of us have the sense to do what is right for yourself, your family and the society at large. If most individuals do their part, that would be the best thing, instead of saying why aint my neighbour doing that, why aint the other guys aint doing that? Its the mentality that if people ain’t conforming to best practices, I aint gonna do so cos its not fair, that will ultimately cause any actions to contain the virus to fail.
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I honestly don’t think we are. It’s another lie. The government doesn’t quote test figures, only testing capacity which is somewhere in the region of over 250,000 by all accounts. And yet test centres are empty, people cannot book tests, they aren’t available and there was an 185,000 backlog of tests in labs at one point in the last week,
This is all related to a published case load of an average 3000 per day. It simply doesn’t add up and it’s honestly starting to feel quite sinister.
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I cannot vouch for it, I only saw the statistics from Worldometer but of course tests per million does not mean unique tests, meaning it could be one individual tested multiple times counted in that stat. I think there are concerns in the UK about accessibility of tests when you need it and I think in that aspect, there needs to be work done. Its pointless to have capabilities but those capabilities are not widely distributed over a large territory.
That’s all well and good however a major problem is our governments in Europe, Italy, Spain, Austria, UK, France … none of them took the threat seriously from the word go. I haven’t heard one French minister invoke the Principle of Precaution (that just goes to show the lack of seriousness they are taking this). Ok France did well controling the 1st wave but that was the people who made that happen. This 2nd wave is a whole new kettle of fish ‘our’ guard has been let down encouraged by the government to get it back up will take a miracle. The UK never put up a decent guard in the 1st place.
The thing is there’s been no preparation and there still isn’t any we are just reacting and reacting with half measures. All glossed over with a very nice communication of how important it is to be solidaire.
I think in countries where the reaction was strong from the outset it is difficult to percieve just to what measure a lot of european countries have fucked up. Just because the communication is similar it doesn’t mean the reaction was anywhere near the same.
Yeah, multiple reports of tests being counted per person, postal tests being sent out that cannot be used or actually not needed. But the disparity in the quoted figures is honestly alarming.
You cant book a test, there are none available and yet the test centres are empty. But we apparently have 250,000 (just checked, it’s over 350,000) and yet actual test completed are nowhere near that value.
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It might be all true that the country or leaders fucked up. But like what you said, if the French people did what they needed to do to contain the first wave inspite of the inaction of the government, that is what everyone needs to continue doing. My point is not to absolve leaders of any blame, but that it is pointless now. Let all of us survive through this and then we can put these people on the grill then.
It would appear that we are now living in an age where the pursuit of individual happiness and the accumulation of wealth - however short term - is more important than the preservation of human life - both that of the individual and the lives of the wider community.
For 10,000 years the primary and daily goal of an individual has been to preserve their own life. This has now been superceded by the goals of instant gratification and hedonism (holidays abroad, parties, demonstrations, ignoring rules designed to safeguard communities etc etc) Preservation of human life is now, for the first time in human history, a secondary concern. This can be witnessed by the actions of communities around the world.
How we got to this point I have no concrete idea. Governments of all colours and persuasions cannot be held responsible for this dramatic shift in human behaviour. The individual has a responsibility to both themselves and others.
The end result of “me me me” breeding instead of “we”.
Capitalism and self interest above all others.
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I appreciate the point you’re making. But I wouldn’t put demonstrations in that list.
As soon as you suspend the right to political protest for any reason, you are on a slippery slope.
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And social media. Completely fucks people’s brains up.
(Yes, I do appreciate the irony of posting this on an online forum)
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Oddly just saying a similar thing elsewhere just now.
Almost everywhere and everything we see and read now is there to influence you.
@Mascot what are your thoughts on yesterdays demonstrations against the restrictions designed to skow the spread of Covid? Not withstanding the fact that the uk government has and still is screwing this up at every step, while making tory donors richer i find it disheartening that this covid denial thing has some real traction.
I can assure you peoples heads were fucked up long before social media. Social media just adds another dimension but doesn’t change the general direction imo.
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I think they are absolute bellends, but the freedom to political expression must be sacrosanct. Just cos I don’t agree with something doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be allowed. I know I’d be cheering on a climate March.
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@Flobs what was the Marseilles Model you mentioned?