The Corona Pandemic

Whenever I work with government I am shocked at the waste and mis management. It’s my tax! What’s government there for? Efficiency or full employment? Maybe a different debate.

Personally I would love a flat tax experiment.

Both I would argue but also keeping the public safe. This government has failed in that regard.

I would also argue that Cameron’s government also failed sections of society such as the disabled.

I actually thought Cameron with Liberal Clegg had some merit. If compromised by consensus. Disabled I am not expert. I hate how childcare and child support has been compromised.

I actually think we have a real moment to fix work in light of COVID. Improve work life, mental health, improve society. From great disaster comes change.

But it’s hard as I say. Needs this debate without the you said I said.

I blame the media for much of it. If every interview aims to be a trap for a headline and to make Andrew Marr or Paxman seem a star we are screwed. Politicians never answer, they avoid. Of course they do. It stifles debate, ideas. That’s my point it’s all a mess.

I hate Trump but at least he broke the mould.

(Confess a whiskey after the wine)

And safe? Brexit does not help that. COVID is unique. It makes me laugh all the people who say the Brexit agreement makes it harder to trade, to travel etc. The government has failed.

You bloody voted for it! The debate was flawed and ignorant but you voted!

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What about those overseeing the logistics?
What about supply?
It does seem to me this has been thought through in Europe they have shown they can not organise a piss up in a brewery.
What if you go in for your second jab and you get Moderna instead of pfizer?
It’s madness people should be going for their 1st jab knowing that 2 weeks later they have an appointment for their 2nd jab of the same thing. This should not be messed about.

Vaccinations we are doing better than most.

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We? the UK started earlier that’s sort of a head start so far more than doing better. I don’t mind living in France starting a bit later however I do worry about the efficacity of what might be the system. The health regions here are very well organised between them and it appears the pharmacies won’t be involved with the vaccination programme (on a logistical point that might be a good thing who knows).

Where the UK is better is decrypting those variants and being the producer of a super variant.

Super variant. That’s nature. Not politics.

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Well that often depends where it came from doesn’t it? :wink: Just being ‘cheeky’ due to notions about China.
However politics can reduce the factors for the occurance of mutations. Some of the theories behind these super variants are alarming don’t you think?

My departement in France will go under curfew from tomorrow. I will have to be in bed by 18:00hrs (well in my house). Doesn’t change much for me but some adolesents will surely get tested over time.
Only 2 of the surrounding 6 departements have a curfew (20:00hrs) it’s not fair. The enclave of Valreas is in the middle of a region with no curfew, madness. Why are we being picked on?

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It’s funny we cannot say what we do or what we know. Respect to us all.

Flobs. Stick with it. Be safe.

I have been hiding away since losing my job due to being diabetic so high risk group.
I have a weekly routine and feel fairly confident I can avoid unnecessary contact which isn’t the case for many.

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No way. Sorry mate. Am blessed t be able to work.

The idea that there is a binary choice between lives and the economy is a tired one. Scientists were saying that back in March. A stronger response to Coronavirus with tighter restrictions would have enabled us to open up sooner. We’ve damaged the economy by not getting to grips with pandemic earlier, or at all.

I think everyone acknowledges that getting a global pandemic to deal with is a shit hand for any government to get. But this lot have been particularly poor when it comes to a response. They have been consistently behind the curve, right back to Johnson fucking off COBRA meetings cos he couldn’t be arsed back at the start.

Closing schools and another lockdown was inevitable before Christmas, and they’ve fannied about hoping something would turn up. Kids went back to school for a day before being sent home again, all topped up with any germs that their class mates got over Christmas.

I’ve no time for anyone giving these fuckers the benefit of the doubt. They don’t deserve it. For nearly a year they have been failing to learn from their own mistakes, putting their own pockets ahead of public health, and making outrageous promises they could not possibly keep. They are utterly useless, and I’d guess with a semi competent government at least half the 80k people who’ve died so far could have been saved.

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Me and mester wilkored08 had a conversation the other day…and agreed !!! that these high rates are from Christmas, but if Boris had cancelled Christmas there would’ve been uproar, also when outside just act as if everyone else has covid,they might not have, and wash your hands as if you have poo on them…if you did you’d wash em all the time…

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“Middle-aged Americans pushing over a fence is not a fascist coup d’état.”

Or should it be in the US politics thread :wink:

Imagine however, if they had gotten s grip of it 6 months ago?

The point is with this is that every poor decision results in immediate and further problems down the line. Christmas was nothing more than the result of everything that happened 12 months beforehand.

It does. That’s a simple fact but that’s apparently what we voted for. I accept the result but I see no issue in pointing out the obvious.

Plus getting back to my point. One part of Brexit was to allow the UK to avoid some EU tax regulations.

Jumping off the Brexit cliff in the middle of a poor Covid response is madness. A double whammy but we get blue passports made in France. It opens the gap between those at the bottom and top even more.

If the number of cases reported everywhere is correct then i’m not too sure if further restrictions in the months leading up to Christmas would have made a huge difference.

In Ireland we have had tougher restrictions than in the UK. We then had a 6 week level 5 lockdown in the weeks up till the start of December which resulted in us being among the lowest case numbers per capita in Europe.We opened up for about 3 weeks, still with some decent restrictions in place but now seem to have case numbers amongst the highest per capita in Europe.

It’s hard to understand how the numbers have risen to that above the UK per capita when our restrictions have almost always been tougher than those in the North and across the sea but in the past week we have been hitting 4-8 thousand cases per day when only a couple of weeks ago it was 4-8 hundred a day and a couple of weeks before that we were down to 200-250 per day.

Fortunately our rate of death hasn’t risen to equal levels but there are now just over 100 in ICU and about 1200 in hospital with covid, hopefully we don’t rise much further.

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